Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Noname Given]

Khan knew basics of Starfleet technology from the technical manuals he read when picked up 15 years earlier. He knew where to target Enterprise.

I would say he had a working knowledge of ships and their systems, but not command-level knowledge as in the case of the prefix codes.

Hell, Terrell could have accessed the current Enterprise vulnerable points once aboard the Reliant and spoon fed all the info to Khan.

Khan wanted and planned his revenge aboard the Reliant before he altered course to intercept the Enterprise. (And Starfleet ships have full access to all fleet info as Spock had Reliant's prefix code in seconds.)

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Hell, Terrell could have accessed the current Enterprise vulnerable points once aboard the Reliant and spoon fed all the info to Khan.

Khan wanted and planned his revenge aboard the Reliant before he altered course to intercept the Enterprise. (And Starfleet ships have full access to all fleet info as Spock had Reliant's prefix code in seconds.)

I somehow doubt that certain information (prefix codes, for one) would be easily accessible. That would be something that would require command-level clearance, which is moot anyway since Khan hadn't changed it (probably to 12345).

We'll never totally know how Khan knew where to hit Enterprise since it wasn't shown. To me, I go with that he remembered the tech manuals (along with the restored scene where Kirk tells McCoy that they're alive only because he knew something about the ships that Khan didn't).

 

[Yistaan]

Wrath of Khan (the new timeline)

Mind-controlled Chekov and Terrell: Two to beam up

Kyle: Man, the biofilter is showing... worms in Chekov and the Captain's brains! I'd better filter these out before I beam them back in.

(Chekov and Terrell are beamed onto the Reliant)

Chekov: Get help! Khan tried to brainwash us with mindcontrolling worms!

Joachim: They're not beaming us up. I don't think it's working.

Khan: ****. Good thing while I was on the Enterprise I read Montgomery Scott's paper "How to build a transporter in a cave with a box of scraps" and built a prototype. Come on, let's use it on ourselves to get to the Reliant, and bring some more ceti eels and we'll just infect them again.

 

[fireproof78]

Good thing while I was on the Enterprise I read Montgomery Scott's paper "How to build a transporter in a cave with a box of scraps" and built a prototype. Come on, let's use it on ourselves to get to the Reliant, and bring some more ceti eels and we'll just infect them again.

That's fantastic!

 

[NCC-73515]

Picard highlighted the changed timeline in season 2.

It's Prime-A so to speak.

that was yet another timeline with drastic changes, the 'road not taken'

 

[Okmyx]

Wrath of Khan (the new timeline)

Mind-controlled Chekov and Terrell: Two to beam up

Kyle: Man, the biofilter is showing... worms in Chekov and the Captain's brains! I'd better filter these out before I beam them back in.

(Chekov and Terrell are beamed onto the Reliant)

Chekov: Get help! Khan tried to brainwash us with mindcontrolling worms!

Joachim: They're not beaming us up. I don't think it's working.

Khan: ****. Good thing while I was on the Enterprise I read Montgomery Scott's paper "How to build a transporter in a cave with a box of scraps" and built a prototype. Come on, let's use it on ourselves to get to the Reliant, and bring some more ceti eels and we'll just infect them again.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (21st Century Revised Prime Timeline Edition)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Isn't there a long list if things that don't show up on scans and the biofilters fail to catch?

 

[cooleddie74]

The TOS transporter had a filtering system after you materialized. Scotty activates it inside the chamber after Technician Fisher beams up from Alfa 177 with the yellow magnetic ore on his clothing.

 

[Yistaan]

The TOS transporter had a filtering system after you materialized. Scotty activates it inside the chamber after Technician Fisher beams up from Alfa 177 with the yellow magnetic ore on his clothing.

Good catch! Even after the term biofilter was established in TNG, it seems like tons of evil lifeforms and diseases got through anyway including notably the Conspiracy scorpion alien parasites.

I'm surprised we don't have a list (that I'm aware) of pathogens/aliens etc. that biofilters didn't catch on Memory Alpha for us to review

 

[fireproof78]

Isn't there a long list if things that don't show up on scans and the biofilters fail to catch?

Pretty sure I saw one in the Star Trek Encyclopedia. It's a very strange device sometimes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pretty sure I saw one in the Star Trek Encyclopedia. It's a very strange device sometimes.

Like a lot of Trek Tech, it works at the need of plot.

 

[Tuskin38]

that was yet another timeline with drastic changes, the 'road not taken'

Soong with the Khan file still happened. That wasn't undone.
I wouldn't be surprised if that scene was at Akiva's request to tie into SNW.
Or maybe it was just a nod to the 22nd Century Soong was into genetics.

 

[cooleddie74]

Again: 22nd century Warp 5 engine gets a ship to Qo'noS in just 80 hours. Trek Tech depends entirely on story requirements.

 

[Yistaan]

Again: 22nd century Warp 5 engine gets a ship to Qo'noS in just 80 hours. Trek Tech depends entirely on story requirements.

That's acceptable within reason. However when the entire premise of a major film is going to the center of the galaxy relatively easily, and then the entire premise of a 7 season tv show is that they can't cross the galaxy (i.e. only twice the distance covered in said movie) any shorter than 70 years, without any explanation for the discrepancy, there's a bit of a problem.

 

[Racefuel]

I somehow doubt that certain information (prefix codes, for one) would be easily accessible. That would be something that would require command-level clearance, which is moot anyway since Khan hadn't changed it (probably to 12345).

We'll never totally know how Khan knew where to hit Enterprise since it wasn't shown. To me, I go with that he remembered the tech manuals (along with the restored scene where Kirk tells McCoy that they're alive only because he knew something about the ships that Khan didn't).

The problem is that Khans knowledge is out of date since the Enterprise technical manuals he read in Space Seed are the pre-refit standard.

Of course that is likely what is being referenced, so its entirely possible that is indeed how he knew where to hit the Enterprise, combined with the Reliant certainly having detailed schematics of the Enterprise-type Constitution class (Aka Connie 2)

 

[cooleddie74]

J.M. Dillard's novelization of TFF explains all of the Great Barrier journey details. Sadly, Shatner and the producers were just too distracted or lazy to include the explanation in the film itself. One of its biggest narrative flaws.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Again: 22nd century Warp 5 engine gets a ship to Qo'noS in just 80 hours. Trek Tech depends entirely on story requirements.

And the Klingon Border is probably a little more than three days away in TMP. Hi Neighbor!

 

[Yistaan]

J.M. Dillard's novelization of TFF explains all of the Great Barrier journey details. Sadly, Shatner and the producers were just too distracted or lazy to include the explanation in the film itself. One of its biggest narrative flaws.

Shatner gets the blame for the Final Frontier speeds, but he was going by speeds established by TOS (where they go to the edge of the galaxy in literally the second pilot, about the same distance from Earth as the galaxy's center) and TAS where they also go to the center of the galaxy. Shatner's not required to put an explanation in his film for something that fits established canon at the time his film was written. It's Voyager that needs to do the explaining why ships are suddenly so much slower

 

[fireproof78]

And the Klingon Border is probably a little more than three days away in TMP. Hi Neighbor!

Well, it did a Klingon Bird of Prey did shoot a Pioneer probe which realistically probably hadn't gotten far from Earth. Hey, TFF is consistent with TMP!

 

[cooleddie74]

And the Klingon Border is probably a little more than three days away in TMP. Hi Neighbor!

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