Would love this to be proven. So many Trek fans convinced the 60s vision of the future will sell to modern audiences.
Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident
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Among the reasons it’s my favourite Trek movie (and, let’s face it, heavy-handed and Trek have been chums together since the sixties).
The name is Sikh. Well, all but Khan. Khan is actually a title, not a name. It means Lord and arrived in the Indian subcontinent with the Mongols.
I have no complaint with the casting, only the casting with that character. There was no reason Cumberbatch had to be Khan. He could have been some other genetic Superman leader in the same timeperiod, or he could have been a different character completely, like Garth of Izar. Making him Khan and ripping off so much of Star Trek II (badly at that) did not help the movie. An original story would have been much better and could have been almost the same. But I firmly believe that Khan is it supposed to be a person of color and should never have been cast otherwise.
Which is why my main complaint is when they set it. If you want to tell a fresh story, pick a fresh setting. If you want to explore something in the middle of an established era, you should follow the precedent of matching the style of the era. I think Discovery should have been set 10 to 20 years before The Cage
It's both. Usually it's a surname. Rare as a given name.
I had a theory that "Khan" was a title he adopted and Noonien Singh was his actual name. Doesn't seem to be the case though.
No one to my knowledge has ever been able to pinpoint the origins of "Noonien".
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Noonian is of Chinese origins and means gifted one. Pakistan has some of the best Chinese food due to all the Chinese immigrants there. So that places all 3 names in the subcontinent. Casting Montalban and darkening his skin clearly links to Seikh origins. There are other people's in the subcontinent where they could have cast a blue eyed blond in the role. But once set as a person of color, the character's origins should never have been changed.
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Only if you treat Trek as a period piece.
I do not.
And I think Discovery should be 60 years post TNG.
They did it with some things, but not others. The echoing the movie corridors and it's more of a mix between movie era and discovery even copying much from TOS.So..... Strange New Worlds?
That would be even better.
visual continuity is a thing
it's a common tactic to argue against a point by exaggerating it instead of actually addressing it
hmmm...
https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery...-darkness-imax/chapter02/stid-4k-blu-0353.jpg
There wasn't much left in the Kelvinverse, and its properties weren't known in the Primeverse.
I believe in online Trek parlance that would be referred to as an "Apple Store" decor.Sorry Chief. Beyond the white colour, I ain't seeing it.
Red herring. Khan is clearly the mastermind of the plot and the officer is the tool. The point (the quality of its execution aside) was to make sure the primary villain was not a person of colour.
How bout these? I mean...... that the show is this retro and yet people still complain because it's not exactly the same..... ugh.
Most sources I've found seem to think "Noonien is a corruption of a Chinese name. Possibly :Yuen or Nguyen Google translate gives "Tiāncái yī hào" as Chinese for gifted one.
Admiral Marcus was the villain of the movie anyway. They could have an actor of color be Khan, have Marcus blame the Klingons for his atrocities (I mean, that is what Marcus ultimately wanted, to have a war with the Klingons), then Khan and Kirk temporarily team up to take down Marcus, at which point Khan is then provided a planet to rule like in Space Seed. That provides an Indian Khan a chance to be in the movie without stigmatizing him as a criminal
I also heard they intentionally cast an actor of the "wrong ethnicity" because they were hoping it was make the reveal scene all the more surprising if the actor was a completely different ethnicity than what Khan was supposed to be or what Montalban actually was. Orci was after all hoping "My name is Khan" would remembered alongside "Luke, I am your father" as one of the all-time greatest plot twists in cinema history.
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