That's why she should have killed the parents, not the kid.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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That's why she should have killed the parents, not the kid.
I mean, honestly, the Eugenics Wars being moved out of the 90s makes the Berman shows fit more neatly in the timeline, too. Tom Paris was making out with Sarah Silverman while Ricardo Montalbán ruled over a chunk of the earth? It's always strained credulity. Now we have a reason why TOS is constantly contradicted by its sequels and even itself; Romulans did it.
I propose from here on, when you notice an inconsistency or a plot hole in Star Trek, you refer to it as a "time traveling Romulan".
I propose from here on, when you notice an inconsistency or a plot hole in Star Trek, you refer to it as a "time traveling Romulan".
TNG says the wrong number of Enterprises? Time Traveling Romulan.
Scotty thinks Kirk is still alive after seeing him die? Time Traveling Romulan.
Klingons look all wrong? Time Traveling Romulan.
Scotty thinks Kirk is still alive after seeing him die? Time Traveling Romulan.
Klingons look all wrong? Time Traveling Romulan.
What part of TNG?
but I don't want to talk about SNW, I want to talk about the prices of hotel rooms in Montreal or whatever Alaskan city that was
There's a great clip from 2015 with Chris Lloyd called "Doc Brown saves the future"
They probably used the Doc Brown sensitive weather equipment permit trick
Paula changed it to Wolff, Alois to Hiller, William Patrick to Stuart-Houston...
No, they said there were no massacers under his rule.
When people say Titanic has the wrong night sky, they probably don't have any other complaints about an otherwise pretty perfect film.
And Trek is not theater, or a radio show, or just text. That's why visual and factual continuity are important for people who like a consistent universe, because it makes it more believable and connectable the them.
And the Time Traveling Romulan is Adelaide Kane . . . screwing up her intended mission . . . every time.
Introducing Todd Stashwick as the Time Traveling Romulan
off, 
Encounter at Farpoint.
To expand on that, TOS says the Eugenics Wars and WW3 are the same conflict, and happened in the '90s, TNG says WW3 happened mid 21st century. Now SNW has moved the two conflicts back together.
Pre-destination paradox. Temporal Investigations hates those, but First Contact implies it heavily, since meeting the crew pushes both Cochrane and Lilly towards seeing warp drive as an opportunity to rebuild Earth into a better world. Especially since Cochrane doesn’t really become the figure he is in the history books until after the incident.
There’s a subtle indication that the time travel in “Trials and Tribbleations” (where the Department of Temporal Investigations was introduced) was always meant to happen, since at the end they imply that the reason the Tribbles are hitting Kirk on the head in “The Trouble with Tribbles” is because Sisko and Dax were tossing them out of the storage bin searching for the bomb.
Beyond just that, it must really be an alternate 2022 because try getting a hotel room without a credit card, let alone ID.
Also, don’t know about how cops in Canada operate, but I’m guessing there’s no amount of bystander shaming in the world where someone just gets let go after being involved in a police chase, especially without at least establishing their identity.
Well, no. In "Space Seed," Kirk and Scotty specifically talk about how under Khan's rule, there were no large-scale massacres. Augments in general are seen by 23rd Century Humans as evil on a scale that's hard to contemplate because the Eugenics Wars/World War III led to the death of a third of the world's population according to the SNW pilot, but Khan in particular is not said to be worse than Hitler.
Maybe, but "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" was a great episode, so it says more about fandom myopia in this instance.
Tolkien published a revised version of The Hobbit to keep it consistent with The Lord of the Rings, actually.
I mean, ultimately this is a question of your subjective feelings about Chong's and Wesley's chemistry together. I think it's there and so the episode worked for me.
.... I have no idea what you're talking about. "Changing social atmosphere?" "We're lucky if we can even get a date?" People still go on dates. They go on dates all the time. This is not some dying practice.
And I think it's pretty obvious that part of the reason La'an and Jim developed such strong feelings in a relatively short amount of time is that they were trauma-bonding. They were in a really extreme situation, they were both trapped far from home in a foreign culture, they had to spend 24/7 together for several days, and they had to rely on one-another for survival. In another circumstance, they probably would not have developed such intense feelings so quickly -- and it's also an open question whether their feelings would have endured if they had been restored to normal life.
I've shown "The City on the Edge of Forever" to plenty of people steeped in modern values. No one has ever said to me that Edith has no interest in Jim -- she makes her romantic interest in him very clear several times. They have said to me that he comes on a bit strong, but I've never heard anyone call it "creepy" or "stalker-ish."
Everyone has an accent. There's no such thing as talking without an accent. An accent is just the way you pronounce something -- it's not "pronouncing things differently from how I pronounce things."
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
PIC S2 and "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" are mirror opposites of each other. In PIC S2, Jean-Luc must travel to the past in order to finally start processing the trauma he has carried his entire life and become self-actualized. In "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow," La'an travels to the past to experience profound trauma which she will carry for the rest of her life and is not allowed to process by the DTI.
PIC S2 and "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" are textbook examples of how a similar plot can be used to tell completely different stories.
If the Federation was able to time-travel from 2268 to 1969 in "Assignment: Earth," I see no reason to imagine the Romulans couldn't have time-traveled from the 2260s to the 2020s.
Yeah, those bits stretched verisimilitude.
Yeah, I think we Trekkies sometimes get so bogged down in our expectations about what Star Trek "ought" to be that we lose the ability to appreciate the work of art for what it is. I was initially so annoyed by the Klingon makeup redesign in DIS S1 that it made it hard for me to engage in the material -- but when I stepped back and let go of my expectation of what it "ought" to be, I found myself really enjoying DIS's version of the Klingons.
What she actually says is, "The majority of vehicles are privately-owned." Your hypothesis about A.I. controlling transportation is possible, but it's just something you made up and has no canonical support. The most we can reasonably infer from La'an's words is that private ownership of vehicles is less common in the 23rd Century.
Which makes sense. While there are plenty of people who think of cars as liberating, there are many people (myself among them) who find car ownership and driving to be stressful, dangerous, cumbersome in terms of usage of space, and overall a negative experience. I own and drive a car but I would not do so if the public transportation system where I live were more extensive and reliable.
In the paradisaical United Earth, it is literally possible to teleport anywhere you want instantly. It's extremely plausible that most people would not want the stress of owning a vehicle if you can simply arrange to be beamed where you need to go.
Weird binary. Even if there's literally no money, that doesn't mean that economic activity must only occur at the command of the state.
There is no canonical evidence for this.
No. Fascism is a very particular type of authoritarianism characterized by the belief in the superiority of an In-Group over an Out-Group, the use of the Out-Group as a scapegoat for social problems, a fixation on an imagined idyllic past in which the In-Group had no real problems, a belief in national regeneration through violence, and the veneration of a supreme leader figure as infallible.
What you are describing would indeed be a form of oppression, but it would not be the particular kind of authoritarianism that is fascism.
Freedom is an illusion because powerful people can force you into poverty if they don't like you? Congratulations, you've just described capitalism!
None, but no contradictions either. Akiva Goldsman worked on both, so presumably he's given some thought as to how these two shows' backstories fit together.
If you mean, "government agency doing classified things" vibes, sure. But Section 31 and DTI are very different -- DTI is a legitimate government agency, answerable to the democratically-elected President and Council, charged with enforcing laws passed by constitutional process; Section 31 is a rogue conspiracy within the government that answers to no one, has no legitimate basis in the constitution, and does whatever it wants.
I don't really see how she resembles Pulaski? She's far more playful and cheerful.
I don't think it's an imitation of "The City on the Edge of Forever." Alt-Jim does not have to die to save the future the way Edith had to die to save the future. "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" is clearly playing with some Star Trek tropes, but that's far from "imitating."
It was VOY that established First Contact as a predestination paradox. First Contact strongly implied that it was meeting the Vulcans that caused Cochrane to become more altruistic.
But of course, if that's the case, how come we didn't see Miles and Julian in the lineup after the bar fight in "The Trouble with Tribbles?"
--She's far more playful and cheerful--
YMMV, but I found both Pulaski and her a bit on the grating side... especially with a full ensemble already in place.
YMMV, but I found both Pulaski and her a bit on the grating side... especially with a full ensemble already in place.
To be fair, I actually think this one makes sense in the most Shatner-esque way possible.
"Scotty fully believed, until the day he died, Kirk WOULD COME BACK FROM THE DEAD."
Okay, but finding them both "grating" doesn't tell us what personality traits they have in common?
I am still at a loss at how they managed to check in to a hotel in Ontario without a credit card......
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