Indeed.
American forces (such as Archer's ancestor) could have fought in the war, just overseas.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Indeed.
American forces (such as Archer's ancestor) could have fought in the war, just overseas.
Up until the Disco season 2 finale that was so bad it almost made me stop watching Star Trek Michael was never SECRET.
Did Sarek have brothers or sisters? Did Amanda? What was Spock's grandfather like? Did Spock ever have a friend before Kirk (and McCoy)? WHY DON'T WE KNOW THESE THINGS?
Scotty had a sister and we never knew it until we saw the deleted scenes to Wrath of Khan (or read the book).
There are heaping helpings of unknown that Star Trek can play in that don't contradict continuity. Michael Burnham is one of those unknowns! Or she WAS before she became so secret that it was treasonous to mention her! Ghaaaaaaa!
They didn't erase it all, like in the 2009 movie. TOS still happened the way it did before, mostly. Allowing for a little wiggle room thanks to time-travel fudging. And if this means a less fundamentalist approach to "canon" from now on . . . about time. You can still treat TOS as your source material without insisting that every single line, prop, and visual from every single episode has to be treated as Holy Writ. A little flexibility doesn't mean throwing all of TOS out with the bathwater.
Honestly, this is how most long-running series, from Zorro to James Bond to comic books, have always worked. As long as Batman's parents are killed in an alley, does it really matter what exactly year that happened or what movie or show they were watching right before they got gunned down? The Big Picture matters, not the minutiae.
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We don't always agree, but I have no quibbles at all with this post! 
Yeah, normally I would be on the side of the writers in that but they DID include it and if they did, they should have actually bothered to incorporate it correctly. Otherwise, you just end up with X-Files and Lost, "We incorporated this thing but never intend to actually pay it off."
I mean, they're free to do that anyway. The thing is that ENT already broke every vase that people claim the NuTrek is doing. It was already a Prequel with new looking technology and wholesale massive new events.
That bell, she has been rung.
This is what happens when those in charge listen to the "loudest" fan voices.
There was a Red Dwarf episode with a similar deal. JFK was saved but the world suffered. Eventually they had JFK show himself to set things right!
So now we'll just have to imagine that Kahn says a later year, twenty-twenty-something.
I'm not ever going to be so pigheaded about my favorite TV show that I can't adjust with the times.
Maybe one could argue it's a situation like Earth's in Stargate? Just like how the militaries of Earth fight Goauld and Wraith across multiple galaxies in a massive conspiracy in Stargate, in the Star Trek universe the governments of the world fought the Eugenics Wars in secret until it became too massive to cover up.
Although, if that were the case, it would be hard to argue that Khan's actions created a huge society-wide scar on humanity if most of what he did was kept a secret.
I know Khan was partly Indian, Sikh name, but I did not expect Khan was Canadian. Interesting twist. Apparently Cold Fusion is also devoloped in Toronto.
As far as I'm concerned La'an is Canadian too, she did save Toronto from being nuked! The honary citizenship is in the mail.
Also loved the idea that Cold Fusion is developed in Toronto.
Anyone else find it odd La'an was so familiar with the city of Toronto, to the point where she knew its history and how to find her way around it pretty well. I think at some point she must have lived in the city in the 23rd century.
Also I have a feeling at the very end of Strange New Worlds La'an will die saving Kirk and that's why Kirk sleeps around and never commits, becauss his heart forever belongs to La'an. Romantic tragedy incoming.
As far as I'm concerned La'an is Canadian too, she did save Toronto from being nuked! The honary citizenship is in the mail.
Also loved the idea that Cold Fusion is developed in Toronto.
Anyone else find it odd La'an was so familiar with the city of Toronto, to the point where she knew its history and how to find her way around it pretty well. I think at some point she must have lived in the city in the 23rd century.
Also I have a feeling at the very end of Strange New Worlds La'an will die saving Kirk and that's why Kirk sleeps around and never commits, becauss his heart forever belongs to La'an. Romantic tragedy incoming.
I think part of this is because he's highlighting the NON-Swagger Kirk. This Kirk is the quiet introspective Kirk and guy who plays his cards close to his chest. Probably to deliberately separate him from Pine Kirk who is all swagger. This Kirk is a thinking man's Kirk.
I can rationalize it just fine.
If we take Picard Season 2 as having "mostly happened" then presumably Soong immigrated to Canada to get around US genetic engineering laws.
Headcanon accepted.
I doubt that. Carol Marcus and this Kirk probably have already gotten together and divorced.
I really liked Greg Cox's fix on the subject.
You are describing Greg Cox's Eugenic Wars novels.
He integrated our history with a secret war and the known history of Star Trek.
A large enough nuclear war is going erase every digital file in the world.
A decades long black out is going to do the same.
It's why Movie Night on Enterprise was always black and white from 1950s.
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Just jumping in without reading the thread yet:
Dang. I expected a light romp with a dash of fanwank. I did not expect to have my heart broken. That last scene with Chong is just 11/10. Acted the hell out of that scene.
The title, of course, comes from Macbeth, Act V, Scene 5:
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Dang. I expected a light romp with a dash of fanwank. I did not expect to have my heart broken. That last scene with Chong is just 11/10. Acted the hell out of that scene.
The title, of course, comes from Macbeth, Act V, Scene 5:
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
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Some general observations:
Needless to say, I was fascinated by this episode, and not just because of the Khan connection. I’m a sucker for stories where Star Trek heroes visit “our” time: “Tomorrow is Yesterday,” “Assignment: Earth,” the whale movie, etc.
One twist I didn’t see coming because it subverted expectations: the twist that our friendly 21st century ally, “Sarah,” was actually the bad guy. I assumed that she was just the latest variation on Roberta Lincoln, Gillian Taylor, and Rain Robinson, so that big reveal completely caught me offguard — which was probably the idea.
Oh, I also loved that Kirk died because -- for once -- somebody called his bluff!
Needless to say, I was fascinated by this episode, and not just because of the Khan connection. I’m a sucker for stories where Star Trek heroes visit “our” time: “Tomorrow is Yesterday,” “Assignment: Earth,” the whale movie, etc.
One twist I didn’t see coming because it subverted expectations: the twist that our friendly 21st century ally, “Sarah,” was actually the bad guy. I assumed that she was just the latest variation on Roberta Lincoln, Gillian Taylor, and Rain Robinson, so that big reveal completely caught me offguard — which was probably the idea.
Oh, I also loved that Kirk died because -- for once -- somebody called his bluff!
I see it this way;
Enterprise-TOS-TNG (and movies 1-10)-DS9-VOY-Picard = OG Trek Timeline
Discovery-SNW-Lower Decks = Nu Trek Timeline
Star Trek 2009-Beyond = Kelvin Timeline
If we ever get Star Trek Legacy, I'm confident Matalas and Drexler (based on their comments) will utilize the 60s designs for any throwbacks. Like the USS New Jersey.
SNW being an alternate timeline from TOS, but still following the same story beats is the best of both worlds.
I've said it before, if SNW was a full-on reboot and marketed as such, the current regime would have probably genderbent half the TOS characters and completely moved away from the 60s influence. I think that would have been very divisive.
Having SNW follow canon to an extent, keeps the producers and writers in line from departing too radically from the source material.
I'd give it an 8/10. Not as strong as the first two this season, but still a very enjoyable episode. I'm glad we got more focus on La'an. Paul Wesley did a great job as Kirk. I'm looking forward to meeting the prime timeline version of him. I also really liked Adelaide Kane in this episode.
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