Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[cooleddie74]

It's true. Time travel was foisted on B&B by the suits at UPN because they wanted to tie the prequel series into the rest of the franchise. It is what it is. Some aspects of the Temporal Cold War worked and worked brilliantly and others sucked. But it's just what we the audience were going to get from a Trek series aired on a second-rate broadcast network post-9/11 that was always tinkering with its demographics.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ready Room:
https://startrek.com/videos/paul-wesley-ready-room-strange-new-worlds

^ No, the TCW was definitely ordered by the network.

As was the transporter. ENTs creators didn't want to have that either. But UPN made them.

They also said they didn't want familiar safe tech killing people, like No transporter accidents leading to death.

 

[cooleddie74]

John Billingsley is on the record and on camera saying that the Crewman Rostov transporter accident in "Strange New World" that had rocks and native foliage from the planet stuck in his body and protruding from his skin should have been a far more serious or even lethal accident to convey to the viewers that the transporter at this stage in its history was a scary piece of equipment that might well kill you. But the suits wanted to play things as safe as possible to avoid angering the audience.

 

[Mr Awe]

Spoiler

The Eugenics Wars redating might be a trial run for the entire franchise. If in 40 years Trek is still around (and considering the film industry is hellbent on rehashing sequels and remakes etc. there's a good chance it might be), they're going to have to shift the timeline of the entire franchise if we haven't had any aliens visit by 2063)

Nah, they should just leave that alone. ST's Prime universe is a different one than ours. It's that simple.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not to mention that for a series that spawned the "Red Shirts" trope, no one even dies in Space Seed. There were close calls, but killing was never Step 1 in Khan's methods. And he only became a murderer in Star Trek II after Ceti Alpha V broke him. Treating this episode as a 'Would you kill baby Hitler' sort of scenario misses the point of Khan's character entirely. He's supposed to be a tragic character. Why would Kirk and crew vocally express respect to a mass murderer?

Doesn’t he send Kirk off to be killed, to be followed by each member of the bridge crew until they give him what they want?

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk would have died in "Space Seed" had McGivers not saved him. A lot of people on the Enterprise would have died had McGivers not turned on Khan and the other Augments.

 

[T'Bonz]

Wow, was this good. The ending! Never thought I'd like a time-travel episode, and I'm definitely warming to this Kirk.

As I've said before, THIS is the Star Trek I had been waiting for for so long.

 

[Rahul]

Mostly fine episode. "Kill Hitler as a child" is always some good time travel paradox, and they tried to do the whole "city on the edge of forever" with Kirk himself instead of a women of the time.

It mostly works, though like last episode it feels like a riff on a story that has already been told before and better. But it was very much entertaining and a good modern update.

What absolutely, completely didn't work for me is Paul Wesley. It's unfair to him, I don't know the guy, but for me he absolutely comes across as a creep. A guy pretending to be a charming guy, but not quite managing it. An absolute miscast to me.

However, La'an's actress made it work. She essentially carried the whole episode & a love story ALONE. I didn't feel the chemistry between the two, but I absolutely felt everything she was going through.

In the end it's a good enough story, absolutely bogged down by a mediocre guest actor, but carried back up again by an absolute powerhouse performance by the recurring/main character.

 

[Kevman7987]

So this episode proves that Star Trek takes place in production order? That, because Star Trek is supposed to take place in a singular timeline that is subtly altered every time our characters do timey wimey things. So if you're watching TOS, the Eugenics wars start in 1992 with an adult Khan born in the late 60s/early 70s, but due to temporal interference sometime since Enterprise, they are pushed forward to somewhere around the 2030s.

This would mean Enterprise as we've seen it, due to the Temporal Cold War, would not follow the exact same version of in-universe events as TOS Kirk would remember about Archer's adventures. So that following SNW is a slightly different version of TOS than we've all watched. An altered Space Seed where Spock mentions Khan being from the 2030s as opposed to the 1990s; An altered TWOK where Khan says 2036 instead of 1996.

Am I making any sense? Temporal Mechanics hurts my brain.

 

[Noname Given]

It was the generic "Trek to modern day Earth" episode EVERY series does. Kirk was more charming and likeable here than in his first appearance. Looking forward to angsty La'an meeting "our" version of Jim.

But them acknowledging that they're set in a "post" Temporal Wars universe where Khan is a kid in the 2020's and not the 1990's is what this episode will always be remembered for by nerds. The rewriting of Memory Alpha alone will be something else

He wasn't a kid in the 1990s either in the TOS Prime Timeline. Khan was in his mid 30s in 1992 in the TOS timeline, so his birth would be circa 1960. The Eugenics Wars happened from 1992 - 1996 in the TOS prime timeline.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

THE MONK: Where the dickens is my watch? I've lost my watch!

 

[Noname Given]

Wow, was this good. The ending! Never thought I'd like a time-travel episode, and I'm definitely warming to this Kirk.

As I've said before, THIS is the Star Trek I had been waiting for for so long.

me too.

 

[Yistaan]

Kind of funny how they finally cast an Indian looking actor to play Khan (not sure if the actor actually is Indian) yet new Trek is putting his origins at just about anywhere else other than India (Los Angeles in Picard, Toronto in SNW)

 

[F. King Daniel]

Kind of funny how they finally cast an Indian looking actor to play Khan (not sure if the actor actually is Indian) yet new Trek is putting his origins at just about anywhere else other than India (Los Angeles in Picard, Toronto in SNW)

Canadian warlord Khan Noonien Singh

 

[DaveyNY]

Just because he was a kid in Canada, doesn't mean he didn't travel to somewhere in Asia as an adult to begin his conquest.
Probably much easier to gain followers in countries where education is less than stellar.

Also, the whole Trump Presidency thing probably put off a lot of folks from joining a cult in the States & Canada.

 

[Tuskin38]

it was weird 'Sera' mentioned Tunguska as a big event, when it wasn't, relatively speaking. It damaged a few buildings, may have killed 3 people.

Could have been part of her conspiracy theory cover

 

[cooleddie74]

Khan struck me as the kind of guy who'd be educated in Britain or North America before coming home to India and beginning his rise to power.

 

[Rahul]

Btw while I liked the episode - I still had to laugh out loud when they had that sign with "right: fusion reactor, left: DNA meddling". Hollywood science right there.

Also: That child-room sign written "KHAN" was still 1000x less ridiculous than Spock ugly-cry-screaming that name in "Into Darkness".

Shame that new viewers will miss large parts of backstory/world building. Guess not many casuals will know the backstory from a 1982's movie villain.

 

[DaveyNY]

Btw while I liked the episode - I still had to laugh out loud when they had that sign with "right: fusion reactor, left: DNA meddling". Hollywood science right there.

Also: That child-room sign written "KHAN" was still 1000x less ridiculous than Spock ugly-cry-screaming that name in "Into Darkness".

Shame that new viewers will miss large parts of backstory/world building. Guess not many casuals will know the backstory from a 1982's movie villain.

I'm pretty sure a simple google search will get them up to speed.
And the name Khan, is almost synonymous with Kirk and Spock.

 

[ichab]

But Khan himself says in "Wrath of Khan": Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space in the year nineteen hundred and ninety-six, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?

Not to mention Space Seed established that Khan ruled during the 90s. This was a major retcon.