Are these the same people who didn't realize Homelander was the bad guy?
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x02 - "Ad Astra Per Aspera"
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Are these the same people who didn't realize Homelander was the bad guy?
What a wonderful episode being shown during PRIDE month...
Apparently Star Trek was just about space adventures and had nothing to say about any social issues in its entire run ever.
But he can't actually lie. Well, he could, but the computer would tell everyone a second later.
He wasn't called, and there's a scene explaining why he wasn't.
Well..... that was pretty fuckin' good.
Star Trek is almost always at its best when it gets deeply allegorical, and this may go down as one of the best examples of that.
The fact that this is only the 12th episode of this series, astounds me. That these characters are so perfectly portrayed after such a sort amount of time.
We can laugh with them and we can cry with them. We can already care deeply about them, at a time when most of the older series were still trying to find their characters.
This show is something special.
Star Trek is almost always at its best when it gets deeply allegorical, and this may go down as one of the best examples of that.
The fact that this is only the 12th episode of this series, astounds me. That these characters are so perfectly portrayed after such a sort amount of time.
We can laugh with them and we can cry with them. We can already care deeply about them, at a time when most of the older series were still trying to find their characters.
This show is something special.
Pike knows he'll survive any court martial because he's still in Starfleet years later for the delta radiation accident
Agreed. Something bad has to have happened on Vulcan.
Which is fine. ENT didn't get into this, so canon is whatever we think it is, for now.,
Fair point, but he can't actually use that to get himself on the stand. What Pike knows and what the lawyer knows are not the same.
This will probably went over the heads of a lot of viewers, but the episode basically stated that Spock likely deduced Una's augment status long ago AND ran circles around the court's polygraph lie detector to avoid admitting that. He truthfully answered that he suspected Una was hiding something. When asked what, he said "Gilbert and Sullivan musicals" which from Q&A Una did tell Spock never to talk about--while this is technically true Spock basically fooled the lie detector computer into assuming that what Spock said Una was hiding was only Gilbert and Sullivan musicals, since his answer to the 2nd question fit the "exact words" parameters of the lie detector's computer.
soooo...she's granted asylum. great. how does that mean the laws about not being able to serve in Starfleet no longer exist?
this episode was a mess. an entertaining one, sure, but legally a mess
this episode was a mess. an entertaining one, sure, but legally a mess
The code very specifically refers to asylum within Starfleet, rather than the Fed.
Also - Jess doesn't get a speaking line in this Episode....
That was an alright episode but it doesn’t really explain why Pike’s experience seeing the future caused the change.
I can see why she said it was basically an x-men story. I do think when those writers came up with the eugenics ban back in the day, they didn’t mean to take it to those lengths. I just don’t see Starfleet being that strict about it.
I can see why she said it was basically an x-men story. I do think when those writers came up with the eugenics ban back in the day, they didn’t mean to take it to those lengths. I just don’t see Starfleet being that strict about it.
That was a pretty swell episode. Nice drama.
I have one issue. When Number One said that nonsense about how can she trust her counsel when he worked for her. I get her thinking, but it's kind of dismissive of the idea of public defenders, as if being part of a system makes one automatically corrupt. It's sovereign citizen stuff. I'm back in school at 45 to try and begin a career as such, and I hope I don't have to face that too often when trying to defend people.
I have one issue. When Number One said that nonsense about how can she trust her counsel when he worked for her. I get her thinking, but it's kind of dismissive of the idea of public defenders, as if being part of a system makes one automatically corrupt. It's sovereign citizen stuff. I'm back in school at 45 to try and begin a career as such, and I hope I don't have to face that too often when trying to defend people.
Well that was a hell of a ride
can a military organization grant asylum? and, even though, if they could, would she still keep her ranks under her new status?
don't get me wrong, I loike the episode, I approve the message...it's just...it's a downer they couldn't think of a scenario to tie the episode up that actually works
Seemed like a classic trek episode. Do I think some of the stuff was kind of on the nose, probably, but that was kind of the point. For real world comparisons I think this was more the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy the military had and thankfully got rid of. But I did like this episode and it bringing up the constant hypocrisy that is Starfleet rules. Did we ever get any clarification on how denobula inevitably joined the federation with their liberal use of genetic modifications?
bribes and systemic corruption