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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x02 - "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

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The teaser makes real assholes of the Federation.

Good.

Why is it good for the Federation to be assholes? I mean…I get that in real life our bureaucratic and governmental institutions fail us all the time in new novel ways but part of the fantasy of a show like Trek is that we’ve largely figured that out. Why do we want the characters to exist in a spacefaring version of our inept systems?
 
Much like last week, it's gets an "it's alright". Not great, not terrible, averagely above-average. And once again the "Spock's just there for comic relief" thing irked me. It's just... not grabbed me yet this season, you know?
 
I spent close to a decade covering courts as a newspaper reporter. This episode rings true, with allowances for the drama. Star Trek is a mirror for present day society.
That's cool, thanks for sharing!

What happened to the 10 or 12 year old Illyrian boy who was arrested with his family? If they sent a child to a penal colony, the Federation is monstrous. If the family was fined and the kid barred from Starfleet Academy but they are otherwise free to go about their lives, maybe not.

I’d be interested in a back story explaining where Una got her human name. If the genetic modifications were made before she was born, her family has probably looked human for generations.
I think the penal colony was reserved for those found guilty of crimes to what Una committed

My guess is the child and his family would probably be treated like how our racist/corrupt authorities treat marginalized folks

In real life, book/Trek author Una McCormick was the inspiration for #1's name
 
Why is it good for the Federation to be assholes? I mean…I get that in real life our bureaucratic and governmental institutions fail us all the time in new novel ways but part of the fantasy of a show like Trek is that we’ve largely figured that out. Why do we want the characters to exist in a spacefaring version of our inept systems?

Because it makes it possible for Star Trek writers to create drama and make cogent observations based in real human experience and emotion, instead of generating reassuring pablum that serves no better purpose than making viewers feel smart for watching and nodding along.

This business of "commenting by creating some other world where it's happening" and representing important problems through symbolism and analogy has become trite because our culture has moved on to deal more frankly with human nature in our popular entertainment - if the creators so choose. Two generations of Trek producers have used it as an excuse not to really engage problems directly. It's led to a lot of weak tea and storytelling misfires, things like "The Outcast" on TNG or the episode in Enterprise where they pretended to be standing up for human rights by having the Vulcans forbid mind-melding.

When TOS went to a place like the warring planets in "A Taste of Armageddon," Kirk at least had to come to grips with our own tendency to violence. "We're killers...with the blood of a thousand years of savagery on our hands..." or words to that effect when the Chancellor of Eminiar threw our shortcomings and failures back in his face.

Picard got to wag his finger at less-evolved civilizations because Earth, Starfleet and the Federation had become a Utopian fantasy. He got to tell people that if they worked real hard they could pull themselves up to his level.

Well, Starfleet and the Federation are our POV. They're "our people." And what Trek has successfully done is to other our weaknesses and mistakes. It's those benighted people over there who are the problem. Always.

SNW put a stop to that in its first episode, when instead of holding the Federation up as fundamentally better than the locals (which, TBH, he could have if the writers chose, since it is a pretty nifty place), Pike appealed to them by saying in essence, "Look, we fucked up big time and this can happen to you, too."

They reinforced that when Pike cannot defend the perfection of the Federation when put on the spot in the episode "Lift Us Up Where Suffering Cannot Reach."

And again, this week, in "Ad Astra Per Astera."

The 23rd century isn't better because people and institutions are perfect. It's better because it shows us still making an effort and making progress in the future, and our POV characters are idealists with integrity. You know, like many people now.

This is what Star Trek was like, once. Back when it energized and excited so many fans that it endured and its popularity actually grew even when it was in the entertainment industry's rear-view mirror and any revival was a long way from likely, much less an inevitability. And it's a quality that the franchise had largely lost in its Utopian wallow.

Ultimately, SNW is still way more conventional and middle-of-the-road and supportive of the status quo than it could be. But it's a lot better than what we've been getting, so it feels like a big deal.
 
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I actually like the conflict because it represents an RL issue that's coming to a head but one that hasn't happened yet. Simply put, every time a Federation official encounters a transhuman, they think "Nazi." This is the one group of people they are comfortable HATING because they see the worst of humanity and every other race in them. Eugenicists who sterilized, murdered, and built cults of white supremacy across the world in OUR TIME not the Eugenics Wars.

But in RL, we're getting to many places where genetic engineering is now not about racism but medicine. To cure the many horrible conditions I grew up with.

We will not let monsters into the Federation to exterminate us! We celebrate diversity!

And, of course, that's not remotely what Illyrians or other races are about.
 
So this episode really reminds me of the core of TOS. I really don't care where you are on the political scale, this episode has a lot of food for thought. It is allegorical in so many ways to so many issues. But I think at the end of the day, what matters is who a person is and if they are a truly good person.

I read some of the spoilers and previous responses and people seemed like this was a totally "woke" episode that would tee people off. I am a person who doesn't like to beat over the head and preached to. I just can't see where any rational person would feel that way about the episode. It is about embracing the things within yourself that society has conditioned us to not want to reveal or that we were born with and can't change. That is what Star Trek has always meant to me. I loved the theme of how even though we are different in so many ways that is is incredibly beautiful when we come together for the greater good, and I really believe that to be a very important message to all of us.

Really good uplifting episode that made me feel better after having watched it.
 
While the tribunal scenes were word perfect, I thrilled at seeing Pike as the lone vulnerable outsider from an advanced society striving to be heard amid alien and unreceptive ears. Using every breath, his persistence was rewarded with an audience as his air ran out. It's one of the finest Pike moves ever.

But this was a strange new world, like the series title suggests, and I look forward to more of these with keenest interest.
 
Would this be considered a bottle episode? Other than the attorney's office, everything was a standing set.
The Court Room was a redress of the Federation HQ set from Discovery.
 
Great episode. As much as I wanted to see a younger Samuel T. Cogley run this defense, he would have been proud of the way it was handled.

loved the Spock's outburst scene. Good to see him demonstrate his feelings so strongly. M'Benga must have a really good backstory with Vulcans. Can't wait to learn more about that.

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A 10 for me this week.

I love it when Trek does a good courtroom episode, and that was brilliant. I was gripped from the beginning.

Loved learning more about Una this week.

Spock continues to be a source of unexpected humour, and it makes a change for all of those times during TOS he was the butt of the jokes. :vulcan:
 
I have to admit Una's testimony hit a little hard for me. Back when my congenital hearing loss was mild enough I could go without using hearing aids as a kid and teen, I did so to fit in. When it came to a point where my hearing worsened (long story) and I couldn't hide it and had to wear them, I was unable to get dates because women don't want to date disabled men. Una's description of the taunt of 'augment' reminds me of the times I've been called 'incel' online when it's learned how I've struggled to get a date. Like Una who's blamed for the crimes of Khan, guys like me are blamed for the crimes of criminals like Seung Hui Cho even though we had nothing to do with said crimes and don't support those crimes. The episode unfortunately brought out a lot of real life pain for me.
 
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