Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"
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Kirk literally outruns and defeats a powerful energy being that pretended to be God and could make telepathic contact with humanoids over a distance of tens of thousands of light-years, and mostly by just...running. And having his ship fire one single photon torpedo. And even then the Klingons have to literally pop up and fire the kill shots.
Tell me again how Chapel and M'Benga punching the crap out of some Klingons defies logic and common sense and within the larger framework of this franchise?
Tell me again how Chapel and M'Benga punching the crap out of some Klingons defies logic and common sense and within the larger framework of this franchise?
Almost a super-power.
Well, you see, some swamp gas reflected the light from Venus and caused a temporary blindness when we were watching past Trek. If it was produced now Kirk would be excoriated. Guaranteed!
V is the least liked of the TOS movies and was widely lambasted for the exact reasons that you gave!
True, but even good Trek relies on convenient plot twists and ridiculous deus ex machinas. TFF did it sloppily and hamfistedly. SNW did it in a way that, yeah, might be surprising to some fans but, hey, still, wacky action sequence out of left field.
Chapel: The Klingon flagship is disabled, doctor, but has received transmission from the surface.
M'Benga: Prepare a boarding party.
Chapel: Yes doctor.
On the Klingon flagship, the Klingons barely get the Earth defense frequencies onto a microtape and race to the escape pods, but some of them are cut off by a locked door.
Klingon: Hurry!
Klingon 2: Let’s go!
Klingon 1: We got to go now!
Klingon: Hurry, let’s go! It's stuck!
Klingon 1: Hey, help!
The music stops, and only the sirens blare in the darkness. Then someone starts breathing, and 2 glowing green eyes open, revealing Joseph M'Benga himself.
Klingon: Open fire!
Klingon 1: Help us!
Klingon: It’s jammed!
M'Benga slaughters the Klingons easily and cold bloodedly, despite all their efforts. Someone manages to pass on the microtape to the outside before having his neck snapped by M'Benga. The survivors run to the IKS Gr'oth that's docked to the flagship.
Klingon 3: Pull it!
Klingon: Here. Here. Take it! Take it! (M'Benga kills him)
Klingon 4: LAUNCH!
The Gr'oth launches the second M'Benga makes his way to it. He stands on the side of the flagship, watching the Gr'oth leave.
M'Benga: Prepare a boarding party.
Chapel: Yes doctor.
On the Klingon flagship, the Klingons barely get the Earth defense frequencies onto a microtape and race to the escape pods, but some of them are cut off by a locked door.
Klingon: Hurry!
Klingon 2: Let’s go!
Klingon 1: We got to go now!
Klingon: Hurry, let’s go! It's stuck!
Klingon 1: Hey, help!
The music stops, and only the sirens blare in the darkness. Then someone starts breathing, and 2 glowing green eyes open, revealing Joseph M'Benga himself.
Klingon: Open fire!
Klingon 1: Help us!
Klingon: It’s jammed!
M'Benga slaughters the Klingons easily and cold bloodedly, despite all their efforts. Someone manages to pass on the microtape to the outside before having his neck snapped by M'Benga. The survivors run to the IKS Gr'oth that's docked to the flagship.
Klingon 3: Pull it!
Klingon: Here. Here. Take it! Take it! (M'Benga kills him)
Klingon 4: LAUNCH!
The Gr'oth launches the second M'Benga makes his way to it. He stands on the side of the flagship, watching the Gr'oth leave.
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Do we actually know they use warp drive? I just rewatched "The Ship" but I don't remember what they said then, or in later episodes where our heroes were using that captured ship.
Yeah, weather they call the technology "warp drive" or something else, they all seem to be functionally equivalent. Using dilithium to moderate a matter/antimatter reaction to provide power to drive the ship. I guess what I should have said is that the federation and its allies have never been able to develop an alternative power source for their transportation system than a dilithium enabled M/AM reaction. The point is the same.
I guess the Romulans abandoned using singularities to power their ships and/or everyone else dropped or forgot that technology.
This is why I always thought the whole "dilithium being the cause of The Burn" was an utterly stupid idea. Trek had a ready made cause, Omega particles, that was already established and would immediately stop most FTL technologies shown (or could be retconned to do so: they all use subspace), but that would also enable a unique technology like the sporedrive to work fine (it uses the spore network, not subspace) and circumvent the problem enabling Discovery to be the hero ship they needed. Instead, they went with an awkward "dilithium stopped working on a galactic scale because some kid was 'tied' into it, somehow; and somehow all dilithium, at least in this galaxy, is somehow tied together". Not only was it boneheaded in its inception, but required that the galaxy ignore all other already developed power sources and all other potential propulsion/transport technologies (soloton wave, graviton catapult, long range transporter, spacial trajector, iconian gateway). Arg.
Our or most folks, favourite Trek character is based on the premise a human can make babies with an alien. If you accept this, you can accept anything.
Trip did it and Edward would've gotten there if wasn't for that meddling captain
An okay episode, but leaning into some of DIscovery/Picard's stupidness. I hope that doesn't continue. The trailer for SNW season 2 worried me with a focus on action and absurd characters.
Generally solid but:
1) Removing key characters worked better in 22 episode seasons and dalliances after big events, but I worry already we've lost some for what may be what 10% or more of a season. Not totally against it, but it irks me slightly when we have a short run.
2) That daft woman who turned up on the bridge, i just kept saying "What's going on?" I still don't know what's going on.
2) The nurse and doctor scenes were just absurd. I mean.. what the actual fuck? It's Discovery-land. A small blonde nurse can beat up Klingons, of course of course she's amazzzing. Explain some sort of drug never before seen again to make the absurdity somehow logical. Can short circuit space ship circuirty with two wires like she's in the Dukes of Hazzard. Then throw themselves through the depths of space. All in a day's work!
3) Spock crying over Chapel heart pumping feels very soap.
4) Contrived scenes. I thought it was absurd that Spock would admit a hangover to the admiral. But when they talked about punishment I thought "Ahh he'll say a hangover is your punishment". And so it was. This is what makes bad writers, they do bad things to justify a punchline.
Actually I guess there's not a lot I love, but I'll try:
1) Music, really good in this one.
2) Like the 'false flag' in theory.
3) Nice effects.
4) La'an. Dunno why, she's just great.
5) Spock's body.... just yes.
I make it sound like I'm on more of a downer than I am. The episode was okay. And this show is still far better than Discovery. But I don't like when I see they silliness and laziness creeping in.
Generally solid but:
1) Removing key characters worked better in 22 episode seasons and dalliances after big events, but I worry already we've lost some for what may be what 10% or more of a season. Not totally against it, but it irks me slightly when we have a short run.
2) That daft woman who turned up on the bridge, i just kept saying "What's going on?" I still don't know what's going on.
2) The nurse and doctor scenes were just absurd. I mean.. what the actual fuck? It's Discovery-land. A small blonde nurse can beat up Klingons, of course of course she's amazzzing. Explain some sort of drug never before seen again to make the absurdity somehow logical. Can short circuit space ship circuirty with two wires like she's in the Dukes of Hazzard. Then throw themselves through the depths of space. All in a day's work!
3) Spock crying over Chapel heart pumping feels very soap.
4) Contrived scenes. I thought it was absurd that Spock would admit a hangover to the admiral. But when they talked about punishment I thought "Ahh he'll say a hangover is your punishment". And so it was. This is what makes bad writers, they do bad things to justify a punchline.
Actually I guess there's not a lot I love, but I'll try:
1) Music, really good in this one.
2) Like the 'false flag' in theory.
3) Nice effects.
4) La'an. Dunno why, she's just great.
5) Spock's body.... just yes.
I make it sound like I'm on more of a downer than I am. The episode was okay. And this show is still far better than Discovery. But I don't like when I see they silliness and laziness creeping in.
The 7th Rule interviewed the director Chris Fisher, he stated Anson and his partner had a baby. So this episode was planned in advance to allow him to have family leave
And the issues here are?
Well no. It required looking at Trek's history and recognizing that no matter how many different developments are made the Federation is completely and totally risk adverse. They do not like trying to many different things at once. From Transwarp, the variable warp geometry nacelles, to quantum slipstream, or any other variants thereof, are regarded as novelties or interesting but are not safe enough to use long term.
I feel like this is Star Trek in a nutshell.
Yep Trek doing weird shit is normal, just ask Captain Liam Shaw