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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"

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Citiprime said:
So when we eventually get to the TNG prequel show that shows Mot the Barber as a Bolian supersoldier before he started cutting hair that'll completely make sense?
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Why not? They already showed Jean-Luc the winemaker as a human soldier gunning down Borg and joyriding dune buggies on pre-warp planets before he started making wine.

cooleddie74 said:
Nothing M'Benga or Chapel are doing right now violates TOS continuity because there's almost no TOS continuity to violate. Dr. Roger Korby, pining for Spock, interning in a Vulcan medical ward and being a black human of African heritage. That's all we have to go on.

SNW is doing things just fine.
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Well... M'Benga was played by Booker in his late twenties in TOS. Babs is late 30s, which might be fine except he's supposed to be almost a decade younger than Booker's version. Then add in that he's got a ten year old daughter in SNW and you'd have to make M'Benga even older unless he was a teen dad. When you crunch the math down, M'Benga probably should be pushing 50 in TOS if not older under the new timeline but that doesn't match anywhere near what he looks like in TOS.
 
Thought to be absolutely fair McCoy looks older than 39 in Season 1 of TOS and whenever he calls himself a version or other of "talented young physician" I do have to smile. DeForest Kelley was born in 1920 and was already in his late forties by the time he was cast in TOS but always looked older than his in-universe age.

So I can buy that TOS M'Benga is just the reverse. Older than he looks and just aging pretty well.
 
Citiprime said:
So when we eventually get to the TNG prequel show that shows Mot the Barber as a Bolian supersoldier before he started cutting hair that'll completely make sense?
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How about pointing out an example that even somewhat proves your point, instead of pulling yesterday's lunch out of your butt and trying to pawn it off as a golden nugget.
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People do weird things at various points in their lives.
Christopher Lee telling Peter Jackson how to properly stab someone in the back and what it sounds like.
Picard picking fights and joyriding as Yistaan mentioned.
Bob "Happy Trees" Ross being a drill sergeant for years.
Garak the "barber".
While I can see people having an issue or some surprise or disbelief with M'Benga's past, it isn't unbelievable.
Pike's Orion Slave Trader dream I'm going to leave at him having a very bad, no good day.
 
Citiprime said:
So when we eventually get to the TNG prequel show that shows Mot the Barber as a Bolian supersoldier before he started cutting hair that'll completely make sense?
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And the question is asked can soldiers change careers in the civilian world?
Super strong Data became an Oxbridge professor in one timeline.
Spock becomes a diplomat
Kirk owns a ranch
Picard makes wine
Riker becomes a househusband
Burnham works for space UPS/Post office
Mirror Georgiou former powerful, galactic emperor becomes James Bond, that's like Roman Julius Caesar getting a job with MI5 as some mid level intelligence officer


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I'd say it was a mixed first episode for me. There was some stuff that I really liked. The design of the mining planet was very nice - one of the great things about modern Trek is that we get to see actually cool looking planets, a thing that TNG era Trek always struggled with (mostly for technical limitations). The space combat was also well done, and as a casual WoWS player I had a bit of a laugh at the torpedo dodging (a legitimate tactic in WWII, though obviously not done in the same manner). The D7 design from Discovery looked great here, as did the Klingon costuming. I also like the basic idea of rogue Klingons and humans teaming up to cause chaos. Finally, Pelia seems pretty fun as a chief engineer. I like how she immediately called out the crew's BS.

On the other hand, I'm not super into the whole "stealing the Enterprise" thing again. I know it's a different show, but we basically got that in Picard s3 but with the Titan instead. And the Enterprise famously gets commandeered in TOS and Star Trek III. Basically, yeah, it is a bit of a Trek tradition by now, but it comes off as almost comical how frequent it happens. My other main criticism would be the whole M'Benga and Chapel fight scene stuff. I'm fine with them getting a fight scene and I'm even fine with the Starfleet Medical Bane juice, but IMO they really dragged it out a bit. It should have basically been one fight scene, not like three, because by that point the Klingons running in for hand-to-hand instead of just shooting the duo became a bit too comical.

Overall I had a pretty decent time with the episode. Not my favourite, but I've seen far, far worse before.
 
so seeing Spock steal the Enterprise makes me wonder later on in The Menagerie if Uhura was in someway involved in the plot as well to take the injured Pike to Talos IV. she would've served under him for five-six years at that point and probably formed a bond so maybe Spock wasn't the only one who went rogue. (not that's a bad thing.)
 
I've been following this thread, even though I haven't really been posting in it. I have to break silence.
Citiprime said:
So when we eventually get to the TNG prequel show that shows Mot the Barber as a Bolian supersoldier before he started cutting hair that'll completely make sense?
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Maybe you'll respond better to someone's not as much of an SNW Fan. This show is more of a reboot than it is a prequel. Enjoy it or not enjoy it on its own terms.

SNW isn't to TOS what Better Call Saul is to Breaking Bad. That was never going to happen. Because unlike with BCS and BB, SNW and TOS were made decades apart by different people and starring different people. Some things that no one would think twice about in the 1960s don't work in the 2020s. More needed to be done with Chapel in order to make her work in this series. As far as M'Benga, we knew next-to-nothing about him in TOS and I won't pretend we did.
 
sevenstars said:
But actually, those are your terms.
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After ENT, the Kelvin Films, and the first two seasons of DSC, it's a little late to scream, "But it's not exactly like TOS!" You all knew what you were getting into. SNW is as close as you're going to get to what you want. Realistically, it's not going to get any closer than this. They're not going to do what you're looking for.
 
Nerys Myk said:
I think that was the point. There is more to M'Benga and Chapel and their shared history than previously suspected. My guess is they were involved with some borderline ethical bio-research. Perhaps to make humans and other Federation combatants equal to Klingons.
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If that's the case it will retroactively make more sense. But based on what we already knew about the characters, some sort of trickery approach would have felt more appropriate.
 
Lord Garth said:
After ENT, the Kelvin Films, and the first two seasons of DSC, it's a little late to scream, "But it's not exactly like TOS!" You all knew what you were getting into. SNW is as close as you're going to get to what you want. Realistically, it's not going to get any closer than this. They're not going to do what you're looking for.
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And I say this as a TOS lover and sometimes fanatic: you're right. SNW is the closest to TOS and its look as they're willing to do short of the production team being completely overhauled and replaced with people of a more Berman and Braga visual mindset. And that's just not happening.

We got a TOS Connie at the Fleet Museum in Season 3 of PIC. That shows the franchise is listening, but they're only going to go so far.
 
mattman8907 said:
so seeing Spock steal the Enterprise makes me wonder later on in The Menagerie if Uhura was in someway involved in the plot as well to take the injured Pike to Talos IV. she would've served under him for five-six years at that point and probably formed a bond so maybe Spock wasn't the only one who went rogue. (not that's a bad thing.)
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I think it'd be interesting watching the show in that light and her facial reactions and shock at Spock stealing the Enterprise in the Menagerie would thus all be acting on Uhura's part.
 
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