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Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

I could see the argument for using deep fakes or AI tech to insert the faces of TOS cast members if it’s just gonna be a single scene or small handful of scenes. The whole idea of “prime Kirk IS Shatner” etc…

I don’t necessarily agree with it. But I get the argument. It’s like using de-aged/AI Hamill as Luke in “The Mandolorian” and “Book of Boba Fett” or the Leia/Tarkin stuff in “Rogue One”

Now, if it’s a much larger role…say inserting Nimoy for Spock or Hunter for Pike. Then no, that would be too much.
I think even using it a little would open the floodgates, just as in Star Wars. Fortunately Star Trek has had a well established history of using other actors to play their characters.
 
Maybe. But it depends on if the actors/actresses or their estates approve there use for more than a few scenes.
 
Why should they?
Because that’s what the character looks like.
In a German syfy novel series I read (Sternenfaust btw), popular news anchors would be “played” by four different journalists. The viewership was none the wiser thanks to holo technology. If anything affected one journalist, somebody else could portray the anchor character and nobody would know.
 
Because that’s what the character looks like.
In a German syfy novel series I read (Sternenfaust btw), popular news anchors would be “played” by four different journalists. The viewership was none the wiser thanks to holo technology. If anything affected one journalist, somebody else could portray the anchor character and nobody would know.
No
 
(@Tallguy consults his notes... Ah, here we are...) They are either truly classic characters like Sherlock Holmes or the Three Musketeers or they are simply an actor. If they are classic characters then they can and should be played by multiple actors over the years. See also Jones, Henry, Jr., PhD.
So, you would be open to rebooting Indy with a new actor? An interesting thought.

I'm not really into the deepfakes myself. It worked okay with Hamill, but definitely didn't with Carrie. It also feels a bit like raping the dead when the actor has passed. I'd rather see a new interpretation.
 
No. That's what the actor looks like. Characters in drama exist in the text, to be evoked and portrayed by actors - Hamlet, Juliet, Sherlock Holmes, James Kirk.
Those old-timey characters originate in theatre and drama. Spider-Man can be recast because it’s just a comic book figure.
Kirk is a visual character from television. His appearance is part of the character.
 
Because that’s what the character looks like.

No.

In a German syfy novel series I read (Sternenfaust btw), popular news anchors would be “played” by four different journalists. The viewership was none the wiser thanks to holo technology. If anything affected one journalist, somebody else could portray the anchor character and nobody would kno

And you think this is a good thing to aspire to?

Kirk is a visual character from television. His appearance is part of the character.

No.
 
Now that's just obstinate. Even from the point of view that "any person can portray the same, individual TV character", you could show somebody a screenshot from a TOS episode and somebody else would be able to point at the character and say, that's Kirk. There's a look associated with that person.
 
Now that's just obstinate. Even from the point of view that "any person can portray the same, individual TV character", you could show somebody a screenshot from a TOS episode and somebody else would be able to point at the character and say, that's Kirk. There's a look associated with that person.
That doesn't mean he's locked in to that role forever or that no one else can play him. That's black and white to me in an extreme way. My personal favorite Phanton of the Opera is Michael Crawford? Should no one else play him?
 
Those old-timey characters originate in theatre and drama.
So what?*
Spider-Man can be recast because it’s just a comic book figure.

You're offering this up as if it's self-evidently an important distinction. In fact, it's meaningless.
Kirk is a visual character from television. His appearance is part of the character.

Entirely wrong. He's been played substantially by three different actors.** He will be played by more in the future. No deepf*king involved.

If you don't like seeing the character played by different actors, then say that. Pretending that he can't be or that there's something wrong with it doesn't fly.

*They may be "old-timey" but the others I listed are about guaranteed to outlast Kirk in the public imagination. They've already persisted longer, some for centuries. :lol:
**Not counting Janice Lester and Corvette Kid Kirk, here.
 
I could show somebody a screenshot from Superman - The Movie and somebody else could point to Reeve and say "That's Superman."

And then, I could show somebody a screenshot from Man of Steel and somebody else could point to Cavil and say "That's Superman."

And so on, and so forth...
Because Superman is based in comics. Anyone could play Superman. This also applies to characters originating in theatre and prose. There's no canon look to them other than what's described. Whereas with the television character we have a specific appearance.
 
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