Yeah I am. I haven't read that Ex Astris article in ages. I can't recall how definitive it was. Wolf 359 was a graveyard of AMT models.
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There's no reason for such a liberal interpretation of "like her". It's clear that he meant there were 13 at the time of the episode. They might've made more afterwards, though we never saw another one after TOS, except the 1701-A.
I thought it was pretty much stated canon that she was smashed into a 1000 pieces? Just do not blame Worf.
Or were contradicted by Gene.
I can't imagine they didn't pay him. They probably had to pay him scale for a cameo. Not paying him would get both him and the studio into trouble with the guild. And Matalas and Kurtzman too. I read the AMA and Matalas said he had no money, but he could have not been literal in that.
One possibility is that Season 2 and 3 actually had a combined budget since it was shot back to back and counted as one production, so Lancie's labor was paid for via his Season 2 compensation. This happened in some multipart films, but I'm not sure for TV. Who knows though.
The fandom really has a history of certain arbitrarily determined memetic axioms that take root and never seem to go away. You can say this is the definition of fandom, especially among those motivated to have extended discussions in a forum like this. One other example is the vocal minority of fans who still insist DSC and SNW aren’t in the prime universe because of reasons….
There are probably work arounds agreeable to all parties.
Whichever made him the most money.Or were contradicted by Gene.
I entirely agree. But my point (clearly) wasnt that the name should have been kept, but rather that its successful record and short time left in service didn't spare it from renaming.
That was pretty dumb but super thankful no one else died. For a second it felt like they were going to kill JLP. Seems like the setup to a new series? No doubt it will be written and directed and tied up neatly with a little bow by Matalas. I would have preferred a seven/shaw series setup but, wtf do I know?
Very few thoughts:
"if earth falls, everything falls" clearly Earth is a US-style hegemonic power in the Federation.
Is there some reason they didn't flood the transporter room with anaesthezine gas or trap the baby borgies on the pad with a force field? Terry loves plot holes...
Very few thoughts:
"if earth falls, everything falls" clearly Earth is a US-style hegemonic power in the Federation.
Is there some reason they didn't flood the transporter room with anaesthezine gas or trap the baby borgies on the pad with a force field? Terry loves plot holes...
I want a Lower Decks scene of Worf ramming his ship into another Reman ship trying to outdo Picard and then he brings the ruin of a ship back to Spacedock and Picard sees it and he's like "Not again! What have I told you about firing first and asking questions later?"
"Admiral if I may.. We ran out of torpedoes."
It could be. I did notice that John de Lancie was not credited for Episode 10. Reading that interview Metalas gave, I did wonder if that made Paramount uncomfortable, and John de Lancie's agent furious.
I don’t know… I like seeing different perspective on things. At the end of the day, it’s all fiction so what does it matter?
You new here? IT MATTERS!!!!!!!!
Books are fun. During the interregnums, they were all we had. But they can be rendered irrelevant at a keystroke.
I wonder if we will get any TNG cameos in Prodigy?? Here's hoping...
No, it hasn't been said what happened to it in canon, just that they can't use it for some reason.
My head canon reason is that, rather than refit the computer system, Starfleet completed the several ships of that size in the 2380s as kind of a "sunk cost" follow up to the Galaxy-Intrepid lineage that migrated in some Sovereign tech, but as part of the lessons learned review from the Dominion War decided that it was the 23rd century mid-sized "modular built" ships that allowed them to have a large, sustainable fleet. Therefore in the 2390s they shifted back to mid-sized ships (still larger than most 23rd century ships) that shared common parts in different configurations.
There is real world precedent for this. The US Navy's Zumwalt class of destroyer is the largest ever built and was supposed to see 30 ships. But they were too big, too hard to build, and too much of a technological outlier, so they curtailed it to 3 ships, and resumed upgraded versions of it's predecessor class. The next class will take the Zumwalt tech, modernized, and put it in an easier-to-build hull.
The Connie-III, Sagan, Duderstadt, Echelon and maybe the Excelsior II all share common parts. Even with Replicators, building starships still takes substantial work hours, and through real world modular construction you could build a lot of those classes of ships by combining independently built parts, in the time it would take you to build a single Enterprise-F type inside-out. And on top of that, upgrades you make to "Connie-III, Sagan, Duderstadt, Echelon" "family of classes" couple probably be applied to all of them, whereas it would need modification to be back integrated into older ships of unique designs.
This is, incidentally, something the US Navy is going through right now because it wants to get rid of all the 1980s Los Angeles-class subs ASAP, despite some of them having years of life left, to go to an all-Virginia-class fleet because it'll take less work and be faster, to support one large attack sub class, and not two (putting the 3 class special mission Seawolfs aside).
Again this is all head canon, but applying real world reasoning to the seeming early retirement of the Enterprise-F has it make all the sense in the world. It would be incidentally the same reason that the Galaxy class is gone. But in keeping the Sovereigns an the "Battle of Sector 001" era ships around, despite their more integrated designs than the 2390s/2400 designs, they too share a common set of technologies. Galaxy/Nebula and Enterprise-F type really seem like outliers.
You say that but if you go to the Discovery threads and say this doesn’t match with continuity, you get attacked by people saying it doesn’t matter.You new here? IT MATTERS!!!!!!!!
Books are fun. During the interregnums, they were all we had. But they can be rendered irrelevant at a keystroke.
You can’t have it both ways.
There was a Constitution class ship at Wolf 359, they used the Enterprises blown up saucer from Star Trek 3.
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