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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"
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What is it she's going to learn at the academy that she didn't learn on Voyager, let alone from being part of the collective?
If I were the showrunner, I'd just flat-out state the Academy has standardized aptitude tests for prospective officers coming from paramilitary backgrounds with comparable experience that could lead to field commissions after some accelerated protocol training or something. Or even that specific areas of expertise could be counted as credits towards graduation.
Yorktown isn't canon, and the Sao Paulo was atleast implied to be brand new.
Acting credits on shows and movies are very tightly regulated by the Screen Actor's Guild-American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. Starring, Co-Starring, Special Guest Star, "featuring ____", "and____" aren't left up to the producers, but rather a function of union negotiation with the studio about how labor translates to compensation. This matters more for bit players, character actors and unknowns than it does the biggest stars, but it's standardized across all productions so everyone's labor rights are protected. Hollywood has a long history of fucking performers when it comes to compensation.You've got a full cast of "Special guest stars" sapping up budget and time. Shaw, Seven and Raffi are lucky to get the time they got!
Even things like "short" intros without credits in film and TV, and "intro titles" being moved to the end of the show (like Picard) only started to happen in the last 20 years because of negotiations between studios and the union. Any examples before this century were negotiated on a case-by-case basis. Some productions had to get special dispensation on provable artistic grounds for moving around credits and what credit people recieved. It's also not even up to the performer, but rather the guild. Though performers can take roles uncredited, which is what John de Lancie did for Q in the finale. If he elected not to, he would get a Special Guest Star tag too, likely in an additional credits sequence (this is what happened in Loki in the after credits scene when Old Loki, Kid Loki and Boastful Loki were revealed.
The "Special Guest Star" label, was likely tied to the TNG actors only receiving compensation for the Episodes they were involved in, whereas Picard, Seven and Rafii all got paid for every episode (and indeed, were in every episode). They were contracted for the season, whereas the TNG cast was contracted for episodes (Frakes, as a director would have another contract specifically for that, through the Directors Guild.
Yeah, I know. It was a comment on screen time not billing.
Various novels have listed the Enterprise-E's intended name during construction as Honorius or Sentinel.
The Mercers are a model? The one episode that they reconnected, Kelley had to call it off because Ed kept compromising his command. The next season Ed used the ship's equipment to spy on Kelley and her new boyfriend.
No. What's fair is that she qualifies to perform all of her duties. She does. Preparing cadets for duty is the purpose of the Academy. She's more prepared than almost everybody serving in Starfleet, top to bottom.
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Yorktown is the least "not canon" thing in the history of Star Trek canon. It was Gene's idea. It was producer intent. Essentially every piece of licensed work ever that dealt with the Enterprise-A's history, mentioned it.
All that's missing is one dumb throwaway line.
Regardless "Yorktown" itself is a historic name, and "Sao Paulo" is one of Latin America's great cities (and imagine what it's like in the 24th century). Honoring a vibrant city got pushed aside to rename it Defiant, which is named after a ship that vanished in the 23rd century, and a ship that got blasted to hell 6 weeks earlier in Chintoka.
EIther way you cut it, this "nuhhh it should be the TItan" shit is literally the worst of Star Trek, where the "rules" are arbitrary and selectively ignore precedent because fans don't like the decision and more than that, they want to straight jacket the story for some reason.
The payoff in that moment, at that first viewing, of finding out the entire season had been the Enterprise-G's origin story, is so much richer than just being introduced to some random fucking ship. Because now it means every repeat viewing of the season is flavored by "this is destined to be the 1701-G", and that's a lovely way to rewatch the series.
You simply do not have that if they dumped a new ship on us. What's gained? Servicing some abstraction of not "dissing" the Titan name? Nonsense. Trek fans have a 50 year habit of pushing aside storytelling with nonsense, but this is really apotheosis of it.
Yes, naming is arbitrary, but the idea that changing Titan to Enterprise reflect honor and respect doesn't hold water. It would be laughable if someone suggested renaming the broken hull on the bottom of Pearl Harbor from Arizona to Valley Forge.
Indeed but the Yorktown thing isn’t on screen canon as well
Yup. It's a funny thing, Enterprises were always early ships of their class.
- The NX-01 was the first Warp 5 vessel, first NX-class that was retired (perhaps refit, perhaps not... we don't know the circumstances of the Refit yet) by 2155.
- The 1701 was an early Constitution.
- The 1701-A, being renamed, was the exception, but given it only served 7 years before being mothballed and we know Connie-refits served through 2366, it was not a young ship.
- The 1701-B was an early Excelsior, and in absence of visual evidence to the contrary, maybe the first Excelsior-refit, which they evidently didn't make very many of (we only know of two, it and the Lakota).
- The 1701-C was one of the very few Ambassador class ships (we only know of 5for sure iirc).
- The 1701-D may have been then second Galaxy class built, after the USS Galaxy. It was one of the first 6 for sure.
- The 1701-E was a very early Sovereign, given its launch year and judging by how many Sovereigns were serving still in 2401. The design was very viable.
- The 1701-F was one of only three known Odyssey classes (two, strictly speaking, since the "Odyssey-class" name is non-canon, technically, it's "Enterprise-F-type").
- The 1701-G is one of only two known Constitution-III class ships (the USS Constitution and Titan/Enterprise). There may have been more at "Frontier Day", but its hard to make out.
So non-canon then? Call me when someone makes either one canon.
Which producer? Gene was more a less a guy who got a check.
Where has this ever been stated?
Again, not canon.
The Frontier Day fleet had a whole bunch of them.
But that's not what's happened here. Starfleet isn't renamed an honored wreck that has deep emotional and historic significant. They're renamed an Active Duty ship.
I mean the US Navy, which Starfleet is based on, did this JUST last month, when they renamed the 29 year old cruiser USS Chancellorsville to USS Robert Smalls, as part of their removal of Confederate names from the US Military. The Robert Smalls had a storied career as teh Chancellorsville, which honors a confederate victory. And because it's a Ticonderoga-class cruiser, the ship is probably going to be out of service by 2026, but they still renamed it.
Now removing an honor of the Rebellion of slaveholders against the Constitution is obviously the right reason to rename anything and different than renamed the Titan. But the achievements of that ship stand no matter what its' named. And especially given it's short lifetime left, they could have left it as is. But they chose to rename it, to instead honor a former slave who freed himself by commandeering a Confederate ship.
That should illustrate how achievements aren't the only determining factor in honoring a vessel in an analog of Starfleet. Whatever the Luna-class Titan and the Titan-A achieved, Enterprise is *the* name of Starfleet and the Enterprise-D crew, which had done so much in its career already, just saved Earth from annihilation and Starfleet from becoming the new Borg collective. Another accolade on the Enterprise's record. It would win out over any name.
By the way, in the 2010s, there was a push to name the third USS Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier as the next USS Arizona, which would be the first Arizona since Pearl Harbor. It was (unofficially) an off limits name until most of the survivors of it had passed. But the time approached to use it again, as other States got names (almost all Virginia-class submarines). But "Arizona" was passed over, for, you guessed it, USS Enterprise, which was the first carrier not named for a person since the USS America in 1966. Arizona instead will be a Virginia-class attack sub, same as the other States.
Well, about 1701, she was one of the first 12/13 ships.
It’s safe to assume that Starfleet made more than 13 Constitutions both in original and Constitution II class.
Anecdotal of course
Yeah but the Enterprise-E would've been over 30 years old at that point, and has seen quite a bit of action, from First Contact to Nemesis and Prodigy. So at least a case could be made for its retirement. I guess I just really, really like the Odyssey class.
Yet they never seem to show up at meetings.
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