• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

Engage!


  • Total voters
    397
I’m surprised Spacedock had weapons. I thought it wasn’t allowed weapons due to its proximity to Earth
It HAS to have weapons. Why else during most Planetary emergencies (and when Starfleet Command isn't infiltrated by Changelings is there only ONE Starship near Earth? ;)
 
How exactly is a “Legacy” Picard-based series strip mining nostalgia, but “Strange New Worlds,” a series that literally redid a variation of TOS “Balance of Terror,” different?
The latter is a road less traveled story. And a pretty good one. Though DW’s “Turn Left” is hard to beat in the category.
 
The first 40 minutes of this episode was indistinguishable from the type of action schlock trash JJ Abrams makes. Right down to the Star Wars-ness of it.

The last 15 minutes felt like a pretty good wrap up. About as good of a wrap up of the series as you could really ask for.

I give this season a 5.5 out of 10.
 
No show or movie ever said that.

Thinking about it, it might once have been considered a terrible idea — take the station, you take the planet. And spacedock as we first saw it wasn’t just for Starfleet vessels, as McCoy was in its bar trying to hire an independent vessel.
 
No it won’t. That’s just Matalas thanking Goldsman for stepping up in the latter half of Season 2 to free up Matalas to concentrate on Season 3. Nothing about Goldsman needing continuity “help”. IIRC, Matalas is the one who brought in the time travel angle. Perhaps as a callback to STVI. Goldsman has said the Picard’s mother plot was his.

I may be wrong, but I don’t think production ground to a halt when Matalas stepped away to focus on Season 3 and then Goldsman stepped in. Major story beats for the entire season were probably work out by then. Goldsman probably worked with the writers to flesh them out.

Matalas joined the Picard writing team in late 2019 before season 1 even aired. They started filming in February 2021 and season 3 started filming in September 2021. I find it hard to believe that from late 2019 - early 2021 co-showrunner Terry Matalas did not have a big part of shaping season 2. We also don't know when Matalas started concentrating on season 3..was it while writing the latter half of season 2 or when actually producing the latter half of season 2?

Yes, Matalas has said he pitched the time travel and Q dying plots. He has also said some things had to be changed due to COVID. Initially, the cast was going to spend more time in the alternate reality. I'm sure the cast mostly being separated into pairs was due to some COVID concerns.
 
Like I said, it depends on your point of view on a bunch of things, but one thing that was true about DSC from day one was that it was at least as interested in subverting expectation or running in direct opposition to some accepted things, as it was in pulling references from the parent show.
I actually think I would *maybe* enjoyed DSC more and stuck with it, if I didn’t already like Trek and was familiar with its past. This is especially true when Control turned up, and I had already suffered that in the Trek books.
Like I said...I am an old school fan from first airing of first episode. I've read hundreds of the books. I showed up for each movie, new series and all the stuff. I don't collect memorabilia or models of ships. I do read fanfiction sometimes because I love these freaking shows and all the people in them. But I never really interacted with the "fandom" until Discovery. So, to summarize:
I like Trek and am very familiar with it as well.
Star Trek is a big umbrella. We have the tendency to assume most fans are hardcore. But most of the fans aren't even like me. Most just enjoy and leave it at that. But there are millions of those fans all over the world. (Note: I can't support "millions" with actual data :D)
 
Like I said...I am an old school fan from first airing of first episode. I've read hundreds of the books. I showed up for each movie, new series and all the stuff. I don't collect memorabilia or models of ships. I do read fanfiction sometimes because I love these freaking shows and all the people in them. But I never really interacted with the "fandom" until Discovery. So, to summarize:
I like Trek and am very familiar with it as well.
Star Trek is a big umbrella. We have the tendency to assume most fans are hardcore. But most of the fans aren't even like me. Most just enjoy and leave it at that. But there are millions of those fans all over the world. (Note: I can't support "millions" with actual data :D)

Hence ‘depending on your point of view’ — I know that I might like DSC more if it wasn’t a Trek show, or if I didn’t already know a lot about Trek that it is at odds with. If a new viewer isn’t familiar with Trek, then all that silly ‘I’m the first xyz in Trek history!’ marketing that rubbed some of us up the wrong way (Sisko! Janeway! Jadzia! Odan!) might be a draw for them. DSC is likely helped *in some cases* by only a passing familiarity at best with Trek, and for some of us, the more steeped we were in previous Trek, the harder it was to get into — or the more likely we were to be driven away. In some cases.
 
Can we get a show for people that don't like nostalgia and memberberries?

Since I refuse to use the term "memberberries" (other than now), I'll just vote for a show that stands totally on its own with no connection to any of the others outside of being in the same universe.

I mean, I don't reference my own past as much as Star Trek characters do.
 
This final episode also just reaffirmed just how powerful starbases are.
You need a fleet or several to bring one down - and it takes time to do so.

What seemed a bit off was that the Earth's planetary shield fell at the same time when the Spacedock was taken down... implying that both are integrated (or that spacedock was responsible for generating the planetary shield).
This seems a bit senseless because a planet should be capable of having its own separate planetary shield generators on the ground or in Earth's orbit (via satellites - much like we saw on Discovery) projecting the field atop them and encompassing the entire planet - aka shielding not just the generators/projectors of the shield but the planet as well.

The spacedock should have really had its own separate shielding system.

Earth could have basically supplied power to its own shield generators via combo of Geothermal (which is immensely powerful), Solar and Fusion power... the spacedock would likely have extremely potent fusion and possibly M/AM generators (combined with solar).
 
Last edited:
This final episode also just reaffirmed just how powerful starbases are.
You need a fleet or several to bring one down - and it takes time to do so.

What seemed a bit off was that the Earth's planetary shield fell at the same time when the Spacedock was taken down... implying that both are integrated (or that spacedock was responsible for generating the planetary shield).
This seems a bit senseless because a planet should be capable of having its own separate planetary shield generators on the ground or in Earth's orbit (via satellites - much like we saw on Discovery) projecting the field atop them and encompassing the entire planet - aka shielding not just the generators/projectors of the shield but the planet as well.

The spacedock should have really had its own separate shielding system.

Earth could have basically supplied power to its own shield generators via combo of Geothermal, Solar and Fusion power... the spacedock would likely have extremely potent fusion and possibly M/AM generators (combined with solar).

I agree that those starbases should pack a wallop. Well, DS9 did after it got all those defenses at the beginning of Season 4 with the "Way of the Warrior." That being said, I'm a bit surprised they were able to rebuild Spacedock as quickly as they could. I mean, constructing a station like that would take a few years, at the very least. Then again, maybe Starfleet managed to adopt new construction techniques that we haven't heard of.
 
I gotta say, it took me out of the story when the Galactica (oops, Enterprise-D) evaded the Cylons (oops again, the Borg) because it was old and not networked with the other ships in the Colonial (damn, Federation) fleet.

The use of an old ship that wasn't networked was telegraphed in Episode 6 lol.

Most of us just thought it was gonna be a collection of ships, the E-A, Defiant, Voyager and E-D
 
I
The use of an old ship that wasn't networked was telegraphed in Episode 6 lol.

Most of us just thought it was gonna be a collection of ships, the E-A, Defiant, Voyager and E-D

Everyone hop into a ship by themselves and take off like the ending of Vegas Vacation with the family all hopping into cars that Russ won in Vegas.
 
I agree that those starbases should pack a wallop. Well, DS9 did after it got all those defenses at the beginning of Season 4 with the "Way of the Warrior." That being said, I'm a bit surprised they were able to rebuild Spacedock as quickly as they could. I mean, constructing a station like that would take a few years, at the very least. Then again, maybe Starfleet managed to adopt new construction techniques that we haven't heard of.

It never made sense to me that ships would take years to build... let alone starbases... besides it was never stated on-screen that this is the amount of time for building ships or starbases.

In space, you have to use massive amount of automation to get things done because its dangerous (and its kinda unavoidable)... and because SF has drones, construction would likely proceed exponentially. You can easily construct things (starbases/stations, drydocks, ships and whole infrastructures) VERY fast like that.

And to be fair, it would be a bit silly to think that with replicators, tractor beams and transporters, it would take massive amount of time to make ships and stations.If anything they would massively speed up the process (along with those drones).

In contrast, all ships in the fleet have their own drones for self-repair and maintenance... I wouldn't be surprised that once all the repairs were carried out on the ships themselves, each vessel donated a portion of their own drones to self-replicate and reconstruct the spacedock (assuming it was destroyed in the first place - we saw the Borg knock out its shields and presumably damage it severely, but we never saw the Spacedock fully destroyed, did we?).
 
I


Everyone hop into a ship by themselves and take off like the ending of Vegas Vacation with the family all hopping into cars that Russ won in Vegas.

VOY could have had Raffi and Seven on board, and Worf could have been stationed on the Defiant with someone else (perhaps Troi).

In fairness, I think this would have been the most logical/sensible thing to do, and I think most of the background for both the VOY and Defiant could have been CGI-ed (with main focus on the ENT-D bridge)... but its probable that they hadn't done this due to budget constraints and a relatively small amount of time we would have spent seeing those.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top