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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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By the way, is something missing from this pic? Somebody tell me it's my imagination. :shrug:

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That Galaxy class ship doesn’t have name or registry number on its hull.
 
The whole bit about expecting to die alone until he met Jack didn't exactly suggest that he had much interest in/hope for a relationship with Laris.

Context is everything. Here he is clearly back on the ‘last of the Picards’ thing. Without family in the sense of nothing beyond maybe a partner. It would have been inappropriate for him to say:
‘apart from my hot Romulan housekeeper, who I am now having a thing with after her husband, who also worked for me, died… it’s a long story Jack and — oh, of course you’re name Jack. Well. That was a thing too, and I am worried you’re noticing a pattern here, but the important thing is I have a vineyard, you can inherit it, and we both like booze and mildly complicated relationships. Connection Jack! Come and have a drink with your old man…’
 
So you have some anecdotes of non awful outcomes, so what? Obviously there are some positive outcomes of the system, but as a whole it is awful.

No, it's not. And my 'anecdotes of non awful outcomes' is no less relevant that **that other guy's** anecdote of an awful outcome. That's the problem with replacing critical thinking and fact based analytics with mob rules and social media hysteria.

Britain's growing worries over troubled health system
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/06/business/nhs-strikes-private-healthcare-uk/index.html
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/13/1163164100/what-went-wrong-with-britains-national-health-service
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-is-it-time-to-ditch-nhs-healthcare-model/

Canadians less satisfied in their access to health care than Americans
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-health-care-access-1.6574184

Terence Graham has been waiting anxiously for weeks to receive urgent CT scan results after experiencing "noticeable swelling" in the back of his head that gave him "blinding headaches."

The 55-year-old Canadian Forces veteran, who lives in Laird, Ont., about 40 kilometres southeast of Sault Ste. Marie, said he was checked out at the local emergency department on July 27. Not only did it take nearly three weeks to get the scan, he says he's since been unable to get the results.



The findings of a new Angus Reid Institute poll conducted in Canada and the U.S. in August suggest Canadians are significantly less satisfied with their access to health care than their American neighbours.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...ending-strained-healthcare-system-2022-12-22/

About half of Canadians surveyed last month said they were satisfied with health services over the past year, down from 66% in 2021 and 68% in 2020, according to an Ipsos Canada poll.

People are also increasingly concerned about the future viability of universal healthcare, with 57% saying they believe the current rate of spending is unsustainable, up from 52% last year, Ipsos said.

"Canadians are very pessimistic about our ability to be able to sustain the current level of spending," said Sebastien Dellaire, senior vice president at Ipsos Canada.

Canada has the fourth-lowest number of funded acute care beds per capita among countries in the 38-member Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.


Now obviously that is not a comprehensive list of every nation with a **different** healthcare system, nor does it mean that everyone in the UK and Canada takes issue with what they get. But step outside the artificially constricted walls of social media and you'll find that not everyone agrees that universal healthcare is the best and not everyone agrees that market driven healthcare is the worst.

Anyway, I'm done on this topic since apparently it is verboten **ACCORDING TO A CERTAIN PERSON WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS BUT HAS BEEN REPORTED FOR HARASSMENT** to speak a contrary point of view to a certain... protected...political class here.
 
Too many self centered entitled fans feeling writers owe them or some bullshit.

Fuck it, this was never ment to be perfect Star Trek. It was ment as a nostalgia fest. And it fucking owned that. Enterprise-D literally swooping in over our hero's heads and beamed up?
Every Trekkie writing fanfic came up with that, and now those same people are sitting here screaming 'offended'. Yes, a lot of things were just weird or odd. And yes..... I cried a little seeing The Old Girl finally being the full starship she could have been. Magnificent.

Also, I knew going in about the E-G. I thought it was weird. The emotional cues in the scene made it work. Would I have prefered her to stay Titan? Yes. But.... In the context of THIS episode.... Did it work? Yes.
 
While I found the season as a whole clunkily assembled, with a blinkered focus on nostalgia to the detriment of plot, character, and world-building, the finale was quite well done. It can't fix the rest of the season for me, but this was for me the strongest hour of the season, though not of Picard as a whole. It evoked genuine emotion from me, so kudos to the team who made it.
 
This was a lot of fun and a great reunion. It checked all of the boxes of one of those 80's reunion movies with all the callbacks, banter and excitement. Seriously this was just like watching The Return of the Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman. It brought all the key players back, introduced an unknown child of the lead and acted as a pilot for a potential series what probably won't happen. The plot itself wasn't important. And this was the level I was watching it on. I wasn't disappointed in that aspect. Was it the best Star Trek ever? OMG not by a mile, because it didn't have the story to make it such. I didn't find satisfaction when Vadic was killed off after 7 weeks and she in the end had no real connection with or importance to the original cast and was replaced by Palpatine.. I mean the Borg Queen. It had a mystery box set up that had a Rise of Skywalker groaner of a twist with a Return of the Jedi action set piece on top of it. Terry Matalas knows how to make make an effective reunion, but he hasn't done anything to make me feel he can write a good STORY (to be fair, I haven't seen his other shows outside of Picard). He's certainly not the Second Coming Of Star Trek. He's not even Harve Bennett or Nicky Meyer, he's the Michael Sloane of Star Trek (see said SMDM reunion). I would like to see what he can do without a bulletproof cast and warm nostalgia blinding me to the flaws. And continually using his own name as a star system is just too telling. He wrote and directed this episode, so all protestations and humility on his part fall flat. Sorry, I don't think he's all that.

All in all, this was a 5 star experience for me. It made me happy because I didn't care about anything other than spending more time with a cast and characters I love. But if I was in it for the story, I would have been disappointed. I have no interest in Jack Crusher going forward, 7 of 9 captaining a hand me down Enterprise or Raffi - period. And honestly, I hated the Q epilogue. His exit in season 2 was the best thing about that year and this sucked some of the wind out of it. But YMMV.
 
Again, the biggest single frustration I have with the episode (and the season as a whole) is while it works just fine as a coda to TNG, it actively undermines everything regarding Seasons 1/2.
  • Soji? Doesn't mean shit to Picard, or Data it seems. Not even mentioned.
  • Elnor? Possibly dead, they don't care.
  • Q's "death"? Undone by the mid-credits scene
  • Agnes's "reformation" of the Borg? Meant nothing.
  • Season 2's whole arc about getting Picard to be open to a relationship? Didn't amount to shit, since Laris was written out after 15 minutes.
  • Riker's grief regarding Thad goes from something mostly dealt with to a fresh, open wound. They actively undermine everything in Nepenthe.
  • The death of the "other Data" in Season 1 is pushed aside as being meaningless with little fanfare.
As I said, Raffi's arc was the only thing that got payoff.

Do I think this is a better season than 1 or 2? Yes, overall. But I feel like one of the basic rules of serialized TV is that the decisions characters made in the prior seasons have to mean something in order for the ultimate payoff to be worthwhile. As flawed as the previous seasons were, Season 3 actively makes them worse, because the entire emotional cores of both seasons are rendered totally meaningless by the choices that Matalas made here.

Pay off can and I hope it will come in the future. Not everything has to be answered in this series, especially if and when we get Star Trek Legacy ... I'm really glad they haven't answered everything, it adds to the complexity of the universe. But on your points:
- Soji - There was a planned Data-Soji scene in the finale but was shoot down by producers. I'm fine with this as we could get a 2-3 episode arc with Data and Soji in the future.
- Elnor is not dead, said by Matalas on Twitter
- You are thinking in a linear way. The continuum is a non linear place. Q could be dead and alive in the same time. Anyhow, given the words of Q to Jack, season 2 did happen
- Agnes's collective is not the main collective. Jurati borg are alive and kicking and they are the future of the borg now that the Delta Quadrant collective is no more, a collective that is in better terms with the Federation
- Picard and Laris might have a future. This is open ended, there is no sign that Picard and Beverly are back together. Although I can live with either Laris or Beverly as the partner of Picard to his rest of the life, but I would prefer Laris
- Troi was blocking Riker's emotions. This only gives a more sinister twist to that episode and it serves season 3 and I think this was addressed in a very good way. Riker being apart from Troi he begun to feel again for Thad.
- other Data was the copy of Data uploaded in B4 in Nemesis and kept alive by Soong. Soong could also had backups ... You are thinking about Data in a human way, but I'm sorry to say this but he is mostly data not else (pun intended)

What I was bothered by mostly is the lack of any recognition of Kestra. But this can also be addressed in Legacy or any other XXV-th century show.
 
So you have some anecdotes of non awful outcomes, so what? Obviously there are some positive outcomes of the system, but as a whole it is awful...That it works in some, even most cases is no excuse because it is a catastrophic waste for this country and for a lot of people it creates misery.

You're wrong.

Your assertion is one of opinion, and your quoted statements are at odds.
 
Pay off can and I hope it will come in the future. Not everything has to be answered in this series, especially if and when we get Star Trek Legacy ... I'm really glad they haven't answered everything, it adds to the complexity of the universe. But on your points:
- Soji - There was a planned Data-Soji scene in the finale but was shoot down by producers. I'm fine with this as we could get a 2-3 episode arc with Data and Soji in the future.
- Elnor is not dead, said by Matalas on Twitter
- You are thinking in a linear way. The continuum is a non linear place. Q could be dead and alive in the same time. Anyhow, given the words of Q to Jack, season 2 did happen
- Agnes's collective is not the main collective. Jurati borg are alive and kicking and they are the future of the borg now that the Delta Quadrant collective is no more, a collective that is in better terms with the Federation
- Picard and Laris might have a future. This is open ended, there is no sign that Picard and Beverly are back together. Although I can live with either Laris or Beverly as the partner of Picard to his rest of the life, but I would prefer Laris
- Troi was blocking Riker's emotions. This only gives a more sinister twist to that episode and it serves season 3 and I think this was addressed in a very good way. Riker being apart from Troi he begun to feel again for Thad.
- other Data was the copy of Data uploaded in B4 in Nemesis and kept alive by Soong. Soong could also had backups ... You are thinking about Data in a human way, but I'm sorry to say this but he is mostly data not else (pun intended)

What I was bothered by mostly is the lack of any recognition of Kestra. But this can also be addressed in Legacy or any other XXV-th century show.

It wasn't just nitpicks though. This season fundamentally undid the core narrative aspects of both seasons 1 and 2:

Season 1 was fundamentally about Picard transitioning from a bitter old man who had shut everyone out to someone with purpose, direction, and a crew; along with saying goodbye to Data. The goodbye to data meant nothing - he was just a copy who was dismissed by the new Data. Shutting everyone out? He seemed happy enough to regale those cadets regarding his days in Starfleet even in the flashback. And the relationships we were introduced to (and were built) across Season 1 meant nothing to Picard in the long run. Even Raffi, who stayed in the series through the end, barely interacted with Picard this season.

Season 2 was about Picard facing down his childhood trauma and opening himself up to the possibility of a relationship with Laris, along with saying goodbye to Q. The promise of the relationship with Laris was never paid off, and Q's death is now rendered meaningless.
 
Again, the biggest single frustration I have with the episode (and the season as a whole) is while it works just fine as a coda to TNG, it actively undermines everything regarding Seasons 1/2.
  • Soji? Doesn't mean shit to Picard, or Data it seems. Not even mentioned.
  • Elnor? Possibly dead, they don't care.
  • Q's "death"? Undone by the mid-credits scene
  • Agnes's "reformation" of the Borg? Meant nothing.
  • Season 2's whole arc about getting Picard to be open to a relationship? Didn't amount to shit, since Laris was written out after 15 minutes.
  • Riker's grief regarding Thad goes from something mostly dealt with to a fresh, open wound. They actively undermine everything in Nepenthe.
  • The death of the "other Data" in Season 1 is pushed aside as being meaningless with little fanfare.
As I said, Raffi's arc was the only thing that got payoff.

Do I think this is a better season than 1 or 2? Yes, overall. But I feel like one of the basic rules of serialized TV is that the decisions characters made in the prior seasons have to mean something in order for the ultimate payoff to be worthwhile. As flawed as the previous seasons were, Season 3 actively makes them worse, because the entire emotional cores of both seasons are rendered totally meaningless by the choices that Matalas made here.
If you now look at season 3, it basically reverses everything season 1 intended to do. They didn't want the show to be a TNG reunion. Its become a TNG reunion. When you couple that with season 3 reversing the death of Data in season 1, gets rid of most of the characters from season 1, and had Riker and Troi making fun of their circumstances in season 1, it sorta seems like the powers that be, as well as Stewart, know how a huge chunk of the audience reacted to the first two seasons and are purposely going the other way.

From what I've read, they did want to do a follow-up with Soji, but got crunched on the budget where it was cut.
 
Couple/Three open thoughts:
1. Was it Admiral Janeway's virus introduced on Voyager's Endgame that eventually wiped out the Borg?
2. What did the Enterprise D do over the year before being retired to the museum? Fill in as Starfleet's flagship, and maybe a few missions? I can see a multitude of books that will cover this year.
3. The shot of the Enterprise above Riker, Worf, Picard and Jack was just flat-out PHENOMENAL!
 
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