Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Mr Awe]

Last post I'm going to write on this topic because it's not that important. Just a point to ponder about the personal consequences.

I'm pretty sure "Actions taken while under Mental Influence" were mentioned as being things that people aren't considered culpable for in Lower Decks.

That's also a really bad simile. Because the reason people are found culpable for things they did while drunk or high. Is because they made the choice to get drunk or high in the first place.

His actions weren't controlled by the Queen. It was his choice. He went to kill her despite being warned. He had good intentions, but it was a bad decision. You know the saying about good intentions?

But the relevant point was that he voluntarily made the choice despite warnings and knowing how he fit in her plans.

Jack was naive and The Borg Queen was manipulative.

Yup. And in a court of law that might get him a reduced sentence.

But my point really is that he should be wracked with guilt afterwards regardless of the legalities. JL was and he was abducted.

I enjoyed the episode. Good entertainment. But I was just noting the disconnect, the lack of consequences. Moving on now . . .

 

[ToddCam]

they could have at least put Morn in Guinan's bar with no explanation why.

I would have loved that.

 

[Tosk]

It's interesting to compare and contrast Picard and Jack immediately post-Borg life.

Picard, haunted by all the deaths he caused after being taken against his will.
Jack, yukking it up with everyone despite all the death he caused after he willingly walked into it

Yeah, thinking about all the cameos they wanted, and still no Ds9 characters on the list. Not counting Worf of course

Considering what typically happens to returning characters who aren't the TNG leads, I'm just fine with leaving all DS9 characters out of it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yeah, the lack of Soji really bothered me. PIC S1 is fundamentally about Jean-Luc and Soji coming to accept one-another as ersatz grandfather/granddaughter. The climax of the season comes with the "that's why we're here -- to save each other" line. That scene was a promissory note to the audience that this relationship would be the foundation of the series going forward. And then... they tossed Soji overboard after one scene in "The Star Gazer."

Particularly now that we have Data 3.0, I would have loved to see Soji and him finally meet. And I would have loved to see Soji and the rest of the "Space Millennials/Space Zoomers" meet -- Soji, Jack, Alandra, Sidney, Kestra, Alexander. Oh well!

I'm interested to see Data 3.0 meet Soji and the rest of the Synths.

To see Data 3.0, finally meet his Android Daughter and off-springs.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Any word on the survival of Elizabeth Shelby?

Also, since Titan is now the Enterprise-G, I hope we see a Titan-B at some point, and it not be some ugly Constitution wannabe like the last one.

I think Shelby is dead along with the Star Trek Online Enterprise.

 

[Sketcher]

Does Jack still have his Professor X powers, or did those get transportered out?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I was hoping they would do that in Season 2 to signify moving past the 12 year insular era. I imagine they didn't in Season 3 because they made a ton of combade props in season 1 and it saved money keeping them as is for season 2 and 3, before making a half a dozen for the closing moments of Season 3.

But I'm glad they waited, because in a way, it's fitting the change came after the Final Defeat of the borg. The 37 year crisis began in System J-25 in 2364 when Starfleet was knocked out of it's 70 year, post-Khitomer complacency where they felt so safe as to put families on Starships. What followed was Wolf 359, then immensely destructive Dominion War and the Borg Attack of 2372. Then the Romulan upheaval of the 2379. Then The Romulan Supernova crisis of the 2380s. Then the insular era. And then the return of the Borg in 2401. It was a gauntlet. It forced Starfleet to militarize like it hadn't in a century. Millions of Starfleet officers died. Entire planets were ravaged.

Really, it could only be bookended with the return of the Changeling sot the Alpha Quadrant, and the final defeat of the Borg Collective. And now the long crisis is over. So hopefully, the Comebadge change presages a return to an optimistic era of peaceful exploration for Starfleet.

I'd argue that the next time that you see "The Borg", it won't be about assimilation.

It'll be a very different beast. than the one we knew.

Assimilating towards perfection has failed so badly that they need a new game plan.

One that is fundamentally different.

And there will always be some game-changing crisis on the Galactic scale, that just seems to come with being a regional Stellar Super Power like the UFP.

Does Jack still have his Professor X powers, or did those get transportered out?

I'd be more surprised if Beverly let Jack keep it.
Given she's head of StarFleet Medical and Jack's mom.

It'd be more likely that she beams it out and Section 31 keeps the genetic details locked up in Area 51 Daystrom Station

 

[Captain_Amasov]

I would have loved that.

He would've choked to death on peanuts, probably assimilated ones at that.

 

[Danja]

What would be more interesting is to see John DeLancies IRL sons play Q Junior by his side along with his on-screen wife.

His son Keegan acted alongside him on Voyager ("Q2").

 

[tomalak301]

This is an excellent interview with Matalas.
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/star-trek-picard-finale-spinoff-seven-of-nine-q-poker-1235590557/

Rehashing some previous points:
-The ending and much of the details were planned early on.
-None of the core was going to die ever. He didn't have it in him to kill his childhood heroes. He wanted the happy ending this time. He thinks other creators would have done it (he's right).
-The renaming of the Titan was a sure thing. The USS Picard was considred but Enterprise-G felt right.
-Ro Laren's survival was in an early script. Soji was ptiched to return at the end. Money limited that.
-Matalas told John de Lancie he was going to come back for the post-credits scene during Season 2 production. He did it for, what it sounds like, free, in about 20 minutes. They had no money for more.
-He and Alex Kurtzman are slow walking Legacy, but this is the most promising thing I heard yet about it. Not yet in development, but it really sounds more like a "when the time is right" thing. My guess: waiting to see if Paramount will support three live action shows again, rather than two.
-The Poker game was real. The played for 45 minutes. But rigged it so Patrick Stewart always won for filming purposes.

Good interview. I wished someone would have asked him the Jurati question, but it sounds like they were really running out of budget. I still think I would have liked this season and episode better if she even was mentioned. Just having that connection to the Borg of Season 2 and not the feeling like they were retconning the entire series up to this point would have made me feel a little more satisfied.

 

[Scionz]

I felt a little disappointed because I expected Janeway (they mentioned her enough times) and didn't get her. Maybe I need to watch it again knowing that, and maybe I'll enjoy it more a second time

Matalas said in an interview they wanted her and other Voyager alumni, but they couldn't afford it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

His son Keegan acted alongside him on Voyager ("Q2").

His younger son, Owen portrayed the babie version of Q Junior.

Imagine what Owen De Lancie & Keegan De Lancie would do now that they're all grown up.

 

[XCV330]

Good interview. I wished someone would have asked him the Jurati question, but it sounds like they were really running out of budget. I still think I would have liked this season and episode better if she even was mentioned. Just having that connection to the Borg of Season 2 and not the feeling like they were retconning the entire series up to this point would have made me feel a little more satisfied.

there was one throwaway line about them by Shaw, and I'm almost surprised they did that much. The season-2 deconstruction wasn't even subtle by the end.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I love seeing Q return for an end credit sequence; John De Lancie can play the character at any age.

 

[Danja]

compatible with Paramount's shrinking budgets though. I can imagine that stuff getting loaded in shipping containers and showing up in Ontario before long.

Moving sets is hella expensive.

Jordan Levin (former Head of Programming at The WB Network) ordered Birds of Prey to move its sets from Toronto to L.A. It just about consumed the show's entire budget for the season (it was one reason the show was cancelled).

 

[tomalak301]

there was one throwaway line about them by Shaw, and I'm almost surprised they did that much. The season-2 deconstruction wasn't even subtle by the end.

You are the second person I"ve seen that said that she was mentioned. Was this early in the season because I don't remember it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

For decades they've tried to show starships a large capital ships, and Matalas turns it into a fighter. Silly is an understatement.

It's not a fighter, it's a slow speed Cessna or a STOL plane.

Spoiler: World's Shortest Landing competition.

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But given how large the caverns of the giant Borg Cube was, and Data's fine piloting, I'm not surprised that he was able to quickly come up with a flight path that would work.

 

[XCV330]

Moving sets is hella expensive.

Jordan Levin (former Head of Programming at The WB Network) ordered Birds of Prey to move its sets from Toronto to L.A. It just about consumed the show's entire budget for the season (it was one reason the show was cancelled).

I had no idea. That's interesting. I had thought the sets were going to get destroyed in the final scenes but they seemed ok.

 

[Danja]

But given how large the caverns of the giant Borg Cube was, and Data's fine piloting, I'm not surprised that he was able to quickly come up with a flight path that would work.

It helps having a positronic brain.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Really if you're going to waste your time and mines trying to push people's buttons, be more subtle about it. It's 2023 and none of us are new at this.

Oh HELL NO!

Spoiler: The Queen's Radio Tower Cube isn't 6 km in length along each size.

The Armada Fusion Cubes are TINY compared to this Queen's giant Radio Tower Cube.

This Cube is closer to Death Star 1 size than to Armada Fusion Cube size.

A Standard Cube is ~3 km along each side of the cube (Might be off by single digit meters given all the greeblies).

A Fusion Cube is just a 2x2x2 array of Standard Cubes = 8x Cubes joined.
That makes it 6 km along each side.

The Borg Queen's Radio Tower Cube ain't 6 km given how large the Galaxy Class is.