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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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I'm guessing they'll go to whatever prison the Female Changeling is presumably still being kept in.

That's different. The Founder leader willingly gave herself up. I wouldn't expect any of the remaining Changeling rogues would be that generous. Remember, they don't even answer to the Dominion's leadership. They're still out there, they're on their own, and they can do whatever the hell they want.

What's stopping them? :shrug:
 
So what's gonna happen with the Changeling infiltrators who are still out there? Are they just going to leave that hang? :wtf: I mean, the Changelings aren't just going to give themselves up, are they? Isn't that, like, still kind of a THREAT?

Edit: Anton Chekov...I like it. ;)

One of my down parts of the season, it feels like so much of it was pointless side quests before we got right to the end when the real threats and such came out. Didn't we spend half the season fretting over the threat of the "Portal" weapon?

Man, there was as many Macguffin plot devices and turns as a later season of 24 here.
 
Great. We were promised a badass enemy in Episode 9, and they turned out to be barely operational pussies in Episode 10. You find that a satisfying resolution?
That's not what was promised.

Troi, when she described the threat she felt in episode 8, called the darkness surrounding Jack as "ancient and weak." Beyond that, both season 1 and other material have implied the Borg were severely damaged from Voyager's attack on the Unimatrix.

It's a satisfying conclusion not because there's some big battle. It's a satisfying conclusion because Picard realizes something about himself, these characters realize something about themselves, and they grow from it.
 
Another thought: I find it weirdly ironic that the new strategy for the Borg the Queen devised after the blow dealt by Janeway made the Borg not that much dissimilar from the Dominion in the end, further coloring her teamup with the rogue Changelings: the Dominion was singularly focused on constant expansion and elimination of all threats to keep the Founders safe at all costs - almost the exact thing the Queen said she would be doing from now on to keep the Collective safe at all costs.

ETA: There might even be comparisons made between the Collective and the Great Link as a collective entity, now that I think of it.
 
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The difference is, the Stargazer was only present as Picard's backstory. But with Seven, we've followed her journey aboard Voyager from the start, and it's only been a few episodes ago when she zoomed in on that very ship on the main viewscreen and wistfully reminisced to Jack about how that ship was her real found family. After all this, giving her the Enterprise kind of feels like nothing but a fanwanky afterthought.
Captain Picard emphasized on many occasions how much the Stargazer meant to him. That even though the Enterprise was far superior in every way, there are times he wished he was on the Stargazer again.

We may not have seen those adventures, but they were fundamentally formative to the character. That doesn't make them less relevant than Seven's Voyager journey. Seven may be a creature of Voyager, the same way Picard is a creature of the Stargazer, but both later went on to be Enterprise captains.

Is it fanwanky? Yes. Hugely. And after Season 1 of forgettable characters and Space Legolas, and Season 2 of jaunting around Los Angeles, we're owed fan wank. A lot of fan wank. We earned it.

I just do not get this thing for the final story in a saga that began in 1987, but connects the entire Berman era of Trek in one megastory, folks are looking for new things. That's Discovery. That's SNW. This season should have and always was going to be about walking through the house we grew up in.
 
Another though: I find it weirdly ironic that the new strategy for the Borg the Queen devised after the blow dealt by Janeway made the Borg not that much dissimilar from the Dominion in the end, further coloring her teamup with the rogue Changelings: the Dominion was singularly focused on constant expansion and elimination of all threats to keep the Founders safe at all costs - almost the exact thing the Queen said she would be doing from now on to keep the Collective safe at all costs.

ETA: There might even be comparisons made between the Collective and the Great Link as a collective entity, now that I think of it.
So I mentioned this in episode 9: the attack vector (a transporter) is new and novel and very clever, but the idea of a assimilation virus is not a new one. It's an old one. It's a deep cut. In the Voyager 5th season episode "Dark Frontier", when Seven of Nine returns to the collective briefly (but isn't reassimilated), the Queen puts her to work on an assimilation virus that will be detonated in the atmosphere. Seven later realizes it's meant for Earth. She argues with the Queen that it's slow and ineffective, but the Queen said they've waited this long, what's more time? Furthermore once the Borg start popping up on Earth via the virus, they won't be able to be stopped.

It's unclear if that virus and this one are the same, but given the deep cuts this entire season has had and that Dark Frontier was one of the better (and formative) Seven of Nine episodes, I wouldn't be surprised if it inspired both producers and maybe the Queen (in the story). She could have gone back to it as a hail mary once the endgame virus ravaged the collective. It may have been too deep a cut to have Seven recognize what was happening. "I recognize this.... 25 years ago the Queen and I began working on something like ... but I sabotaged it when I escaped the collective again"

The lighting and movement made it hard to see, but closeups of the makeup on twitter showed that the assimilation virus in 2401 does form circuitry. So while the payload is biological, not nanoprobes, nanoprobes absolutely start to form.
 
Found an interesting insight on TVTropes: the fact that the Q meeting Jack is from an earlier point in his life than the one we saw in Season 2, should mean that the Q who helped Picard come to terms with his family history and especially with his reluctance to have a family, did so because he had already met Picard's son, and wanted to help prepare him for the inevitable encounter as a parting gift. Picard learning to accept himself in spite of all his traumas, faults and fears led him to be able to make the connections he was missing his entire life, that allowed him to accept Jack in his life and the both of them to realize they don't have to be alone ever again, which allowed them to overcome the Borg hive mind. Thus, Q played a long game that allowed both Picard and Jack break free from the Borg once and for all, and break the Collective's stranglehold over the galaxy as well for good.
About that:
https://giphy.com/gifs/juniel-aVBcwz1jd28A8
;)
 
So, I watched this one.

I bounced back and forth between 7 and 8 and rated it "8" to be generous. But then, I'd rank three of the four TNG movies as 7s, at best. If Nemesis is a 6, episode 10 has to be an 8, right?

Was surprised that Data didn't mention all those womprats he used to bullseye in his T-16 back home.

I don't think that any other Trek ship has been rendered in CG for television nearly so beautifully as the D was in this episode.
 
Well I thought that was fantastic. What a lovely ending for the TNG crew and yet I am left wanting more. Overall very well crafted - I think the last 2 episodes could have been stretched out to 3 and done the Jack reveal an episode earlier.
 
Matalas veteos this motion. He actually directly calls out this nonsense and Trek is far better for it. Fanwank critics are dead wrong. They're entitled to feel as they like, but their argument is barren.

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-picard-ending-just-changed-starfleet-forever/

Bringing the TNG crew back together is not just a love letter to the fans who have been missing this particular flavor of Star Trek, but it proves, as Picard says, “the past matters.” That said, there is knee jerk criticism of this kind of thing in big pop-culture franchises, with some armchair social media critics determined to write things off for “too much fan service” or “nostalgia bait.


For Matalas, this argument feels “lazy,” because with something as massive as Star Trek, it’s not just about Easter eggs and throwbacks, it’s simply the fact that the franchise has been around for five decades.

“If you ever sit down with somebody who’s 83, if you ever sit down with somebody who’s 46, we spend a lot of time talking about the past,” Matalas says. “Star Trek is 56 years old now.”

He continues, “If you go into somebody’s house and they’ve lived there for 56 years, do you point at everything on their walls and their furniture and the music they listen to and say, ‘Member Berries!’ Or is that just the world that they lived in, you know? I get that there may be some people who have that point of view, but you know, when you have this many people responding to it in some way, I don’t think you can thumb your nose at this stuff.”

Matalas also points out that the point of Picard wasn’t to be a subversive show that questioned why fans liked the things they liked. “Andor is one way to go. I love Andor and I think that it’s brilliant. But this series could never be that and that’s not what these people wanted to do. I think there’s a valid criticism somewhere in that nostalgia argument, but I think this was earned. If all we cared about was member berries we would have just plopped the crew on the Enterprise-D in the first episode.”
He nails it. It makes no sense to come to Star Trek Picard and look for Andor. If you want Andor, there is Discovery.

Oh wait a minute. That's the show "fans" of the franchise spent three seasons coping with the fact the lead wasn't the Captain and it wasn't a classic enable-style show. And people hated it for it. Once again proving that fans have no idea what they want and producers are right to force-feed them content and let them like it or dislike it.
 
Enterprise captains

NX-01: Jonathan Archer
NCC 1701: Robert April, Christopher Pike, James T. Kirk, Will Decker, Spock
1701 A: James T. Kirk
1701 B: John Harriman
1701 C: Rachel Garrett
1701 D: Jean Luc Picard
1701 E: Jean Luc Picard, Worf
1701 F: Elizabeth Shelby
1701 G: Seven of Nine
Hey, don't forget the first captain of the Enterprise G, Liam Shaw!
It may not have been called that yet, but it's the exact same ship and it was his first for 5+ years before his first officer took over! Give the man his respect, he died protecting that ship! ;)
 
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Once again proving that fans have no idea what they want and producers are right to force-feed them content and let them like it or dislike it.
Ok. We're not owed anything, we're not entitled to anything, and we earned nothing.

This wasn't a comment on nostalgia but the ridiculous entitlement attitude that I find offensive and pervasive in fan circles.

You're welcome to the nostalgia. I'm ok without it and I'm ok with it. Don't tell me it's the greatest thing ever because it preys on the emoitionality of the audience.
 
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Oh and for interviews, yeah pretty much everything everyone came up with, they talked about. Short version: everything we imagined and asked "why not this or that" they planned to do, or wanted to do, or considered. And it was often cut for money, but sometimes put aside for story telling purposes.


  • Everyone dying? Wasn't gonna happen. Someone dying? Thought about it, threw it away. Picard dying? Not happening after Season 1. Was never in the cards.
  • Death? Lazy. Death bait moments? Cheap tricks. More interesting to see characters evolve into the next stage of their lives (particularly Picard, now a father).
  • Janeway and other Voyager castmembers showing up? Desired. Budget limited. Studio said no. But yes, Janeway was going to be in the promotion scene (and then some).
  • Shelby? Not dead. Badly hurt but not dead. Matalas takes the "no body, no evidence of death' stance to all fictional deaths.
  • Ro Laren? Original idea was for her to be alive too in a last episode reveal but they couldn't get Michelle Forbes back. She may still be alive.
  • Patrick Stewart still has a LOT of problems wearing the uniform.
  • Patrick Stewart didn't see the final episode until it aired (a common thing now in Hollywood). He orgiginally hated the ending because they were going to shoot a different one, but ended up loving it when he saw they finally constructed and cried a lot.
  • For the final poker scene, they were really playing and having fun. Matalas shot them playing for 45 minutes and composed it into the scene.
  • The Enterprise G was almost the USS Picard.
  • Dr Pulaski is passed by this point.
  • The wanted to get Walter Koenig to cameo as the President but couldn't fund it.
  • Everyone, except Patrick Stewart, would come back for 25th century adventures.
  • They were going to have Data meet Soji instead of the Troi -counseling scene, but couldn't fund it.
  • Patrick Stewart had issues with how reunion-y parts of Season 3 were, against his wishes, but dealt with it.
  • Q's death was intentionally undone.
  • Matalas has an idea for what Q wants to do with Jack.
  • Jeri Ryan knows all the "Legacy Plans" and would come back for it.
  • Seven, Raffi, and Jack are intentionally set up as a "new trinity", following Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
  • Wants to send them all to DS9 to check in and see what's up with O'Brien.
  • As we've known for years, Patrick Stewart took the role mostly as money making gig and to advance his career in hollywood. Worked hard. Got bored of the character by Season 5 or 6. Hoped it would lead to a flourishing Hollywood career (which didn't come outside X-Men, though I kind of think it did just not in the way he wanted - he's an icon), and came to accept his role as Picard as defining his career in more recent years. Wasn't easy.

It wasn't on the table for me. Picard already died in Season 1. Maybe if he had not, it would have been something to consider. But, it also was a story about a man who saved his son by connecting to him. And it would be like, yeah, he connects to his son, then dies. It wouldn't feel the greatest.
Let's close the book on that.

All of these are must read for context to this series and especially the last two episodes.

https://www.cinemablend.com/intervi...that-wasnt-on-the-table-for-the-series-finale
https://www.comicsbeat.com/roundtab...rek-picard-season-3-showrunner-terry-matalas/
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-finale-character-cameos-cut-why/
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...an-luc-picard-finale-paramount-plus-interview
 
It was a good episode. No real surprises. It's not perfect but it was as good as it needed to be.

this may have been asked but was that the Franklin at the museum?
 
Which ship? I saw the 1701-A and the NX-01 Refit like last time but not the Franklin.
 
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