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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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I doubt Krige was willing to endure that level of makeup again. She's 68 years old now, and you'll notice that the only legacy actor they really made endure a lot of makeup again this season was Worf, because you just can't do Worf without that makeup. Even Spiner basically got to just be himself with contacts.
Matalas also says at Patrick Stewart, Star Trek: Picard boss on resurrecting Borg Queen | EW.com that he was never intending to put Krige through the makeup to begin with, it was always going to be just her voice, to further delineate how physically different this Borg Queen looks to how she did in her prime.

Photos of Jane Edwina Seymour who did play the part don't show her as a particularly young actress either, so I'm not sure age was the issue.

The same article says: At first, the look of the set wasn't working. It didn't give off the right Borg cube vibes. "It looked like Dagobah the first time," Matalas remarks

Maybe they should've kept the Dagobah set.

Borg Queen: When 200,000 years old you reach, look as good you will not!

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Mike Dorns makeup was also much more restrained this time. He's commented that the makeup revisions meant he spent much less time at it

Whereas of course even the normal Queen's makeup is much more extensive, and this Queen's makeup needed to be that times a thousand. It would have been really nice if Krige had done the makeup too, but I don't for one second blame her for not doing it. Seymour did a lovely job as the body double.
 
You do when you claim to be able to have written the show better.


They didn't know Shaw and his crew would be something the viewers would want to become a series, the same as when Pike and his Enterprise crew appeared on Discovery. Fan reaction caused Strange New Worlds, like fan reaction may cause Legacy.
Akiva Foldsman was pushing for a Pike series from his first days on Discovery while there were still working on the initial writing for Discovery Season 1. He's famously said that when he was asked to do the first season of Discovery, he thought it was going to be a Christopher Pike lead series and he was surprised when it wasn't.

One reason they built the bridge set the way they did was because they were expecting to use it on the Pike series Akiva was pushing for.
 
I'll be honest, I thought an ending that involved Picard sacrificing himself for Jack, then appearing in the white space from "Tapestries" with Q showing up and proclaiming he was dead, again. They'd have a discussion on death and sacrifice and whatnot, then Q would take Picard on to the next step on humanities journey. The end title card could have been "the human adventure is just beginning." Yeah it would have been fan wankish, but it would have moved Picard into something new. It would have given him a proper sendoff and left the door open for appearing in the future.
 
I doubt Krige was willing to endure that level of makeup again. She's 68 years old now, and you'll notice that the only legacy actor they really made endure a lot of makeup again this season was Worf, because you just can't do Worf without that makeup. Even Spiner basically got to just be himself with contacts.
That's what I was thinking and someone else said she might've been working elsewhere.
 
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Everyone to their own but any fan of Star Trek who didn't enjoy this season... well, I'm not really sure what you were looking for.
New stories about a new crew not tied to legacy characters or in a nostalgia era like the 23rd century.
A show about Starfleet ships that are not pulling turns like it's Tokyo drift. Non rehashed bad guys who already had their goodbyes more than once.
 
This should have been Season 1. I don't mind the nostalgia binge. Seeing the Dominion and Borg made sense given what this show was. The Borg and Dominion were easily the biggest NEW villains introduced in 80s-90s Trek and were the biggest ever faced by the TNG, DS9 and VOY crews. Why wouldnt you bring them back as the Big Bads in a situation that amounts to the swan song of that generation?

I expected from the beginning of Picard that some episodes would be used as a back door pilot for a possible future series. I think they did that with the Ent-G, Captain Seven and Jack. I would take Seven over Sonequa Martin-Green any day of the week and twice on Sunday and Jack is one of the better of the new characters introduced in the series.

Some issues:
1. Some reference to the Borg of Jurati should probably have been made given what was established in Season 2
2. I do not believe that literally ALL of Starfleet would be at ONE location, let alone for a holiday.
3. Putting all the ships under one central control seems like it should have seen as a bad idea with very obvious dangers.
4. Not a fan of Titan just being renamed Enterprise-G, but at least the ship is not as ugly as the short lived ENT-F.
5. The Borg using a biological infection to assimilate thru the transporter was clever, but it only effecting the 25 and unders felt a bit too plot convenient.

All in all, easily the best season of Picard by a country mile.
 
I imagine they went THAT extreme with the makeup because Krige wouldn't do it though. So they had to make it less noticeable that it wasn't her. The stand in actress wasn't very good unfortunately. None of the charisma. The Queen in general was a big disappointment.
Borg Queen actresses are interchangeable, established by Voyager really. Krige's Queen in Endgame shared all the history with Janeway that only involved Thompson's Queen.

Honestly in an alternate universe where Annie Wersching were healthy and alive, I would not be surprised if she played the role in Season 3 with no Krige involvement at all.
 
I didn't understand why they added a really naff reverb type effect to Alice Kriges voice in episode 10 either. In episode 9 she spoke pretty normally. I assume it was to make her sound more intimidating but it just made it sound really cheap.
 
I was 100% prepared to be underwhelmed by this, and I'll say it upfront that I'm not sold on the Enterprise-G, but this finale managed to hit all of the proper notes for me and bring the story of the Enterprise crew to a satisfying and cathartic conclusion AND OH MY F***ING GOD I WAS TYPING THIS DURING THE CREDITS AND I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT POST-CREDITS SCENE. Holy hell, this is even more awesome than I thought. Q back in all of his mischevious, non-linear glory, and I almost expected Jack to smirk back at him and take him up on the challenge.

I've only had minor gripes with it. I've written whole paragraphs, but they would just bloat my already novel-length post, so I'll spare the complaints about the fleet happily waiting to start to bomb Earth until Picard decided to plug himself into the Collective. It happens all the time on TV anyway. Aside from the Enterprise's small size making me wonder how suited it is to continue the mission of its predecessors, my only real problem with the rechristening is that it's thematically not connected to Seven. After how fondly she described Voyager as her home and family a few episodes ago, the Enterprise just doesn't feel right for her.

But other than this, oh my god, it tugged on my heartstrings so much. From worry and anxiety to excited glee, crying, catharsis, nostalgia, and, by the end, hope. The Borg, in their dying and decaying stage, managed to be truly terrifying again, with the monstrously mutated Queen cannibalizing her drones and having gone insane with grief, loneliless and rage, as a completely immobile evil presence in her completely empty, eerily silent chamber, more like a malevolent apparition who can only gloat at our heroes but doesn't really need to do anything else. The Borg Cube being the proverbial eye of the storm was also quite strong, if heavy-handed symbolism. And of course, Jack's love for his family being the real Collective that overpowered the Queen's siren song and woke him up was a very beautiful touch.

Having the old crew back on the Enterprise-D bridge just felt right, even with the small moments showcasing how far they have come since they first set foot on it. The bits of heroics from the various crew members made me pump my fist in absolute glee every single time - be it Beverly finally manning the horseshoe and unleashing an enraged barrage that would put Worf to shame and make everyone stop what they were doing to look back at her slackjawed, Data finally having his first ever gut feeling and navigating the labyrinthine mess of the cube in utter adrenaline-filled excitement, or Deanna sensing her loved ones amidst the collapsed structure, with the Enterprse triumphantly appearing above them to beam them up in the nick of time, then riding the storm surrounded by azure shield glow. Oh how glorious it all was.

Needless to say, there were a lot of moments where I felt my eyes getting misty: Beverly knowing she'll have to sacrifice her son. Picard going back into the Collective after Jack. Deciding to stay with his son until the end. Jack's love for his family overpowering the hive mind. Riker declaring his everlasting love for Troi and promising he'll wait for her with Thad beyond the veil. And, from later on, reminiscing about the Enterprise's role in making the crew (and perhaps us viewers as well) who we are today, and the final goodbye to Majel Barrett and her comforting voice. But the actual moment when I actually started crying came when when Seven hugged Sidney. No words needed. No apology necessary. She understands. She understands it the most out of everyone on that ship and she's here to comfort her.

And of course, we have the ending. The one problem I had with that is how impersonal Tuvok's role was, he was basically just a random bureucrat. It would've only required just a few more words, like him prefacing Seven's performance review with something about how Shaw's words reminded him of some of his own old assessments of Seven. But other than that, it was a fitting and satisfying passing of the torch to the new generation, and even ended on the same overhead poker shot that All Good Things did. And the adventure continues.

Trivia I noticed:
  • The Enterprise-D in the startup Star Trek logo, with an assimilated delta, and the music replaced with the Borg leitmotif from First Contact
  • President Anton Chekov (voiced by Walter Koenig with a much more natural-sounding slavic accent), making a statement not unlike his predecessor did in The Voyage Home.
  • 21st century animated LCARS graphics in the TNG color scheme on the viewscreen were an awesome exploration of what could've been.
  • Saying final goodbye to the Enterprise-D to the music of To Live Forever, the ending track of the Generations soundtrack.
  • The cities shown on the Earth map were hilariously off in Europe (of course, WW3 happened, alright, alright). Expected major population centers like Vienna and Budapest were entirely missing from Central Europe, replaced by something that looked like Graz or Ljubljana.
  • Loved Geordi's decison to park the Enterprise next to the Stargazer. Very fitting to Picard's legacy.
  • Seven symbolically getting the last laught at Jack by the camera cutting to the Enterprise warping away without hearing the order he was goading her to make.
I wondered if picking "Anton" as the first name was intended as a tribute to Anton Yelchin.
 
How convenient that the ending only focused on the main characters who only had Shaw as the casualty, with Seven and Sidney La Forge having a heartwarming hug. In all the other ships, we'd be having screams, tears, hysteria, junior officers uselessly trying to revive officers their assimilated selves shot down earlier, sobbing over Admrial Shelby etc.
 
Ideal plot for Enterprise-G?: Borg Civil War. Delta Quadrant Remnant Collective vs Jurati Cooperative
I believe we just saw the Delta Quadrant Remnant Collective. This was its last (re)generation.

Speaking of, I'm disappointed Janeway wasn't in this, especially since the story revolved in part around the consequences of what she'd done in "Endgame." There was a missed opportunity for us to see her reaction at her chickens coming home to roost.

But it was good to see Tuvok, Evil Tuvok, and of course Seven.
 
Mike Dorns makeup was also much more restrained this time. He's commented that the makeup revisions meant he spent much less time at it

It's also part of the reason why I don't get super-upset about Klingon makeup and alterations because some of that is making it easier for actors both from a physical comfort stand-point and in an acting with prosthetics on stand-point.

There are plenty of horror stories of actors developing latex allergies and health conditions because of the makeup. I think the actress who played the blue-skinned Zhaan on Farscape talked about how it took so long to apply the makeup and then remove it that while filming she got a lot less sleep compared to the other actors and over the course of full seasons she actually developed bleeding in her kidneys.

If some slight changes to a Klingon makes them look different, but makes it easier for an actor. Has them sit in a makeup chair for less and risks their health less it's for the better.
 
I believe we just saw the Delta Quadrant Remnant Collective. This was its last (re)generation.

Speaking of, I'm disappointed Janeway wasn't in this, especially since the story revolved in part around the consequences of what she'd done in "Endgame." There was a missed opportunity for us to see her reaction at her chickens coming home to roost.

But it was good to see Tuvok, Evil Tuvok, and of course Seven.
Do we even get confirmation that Janeway survived? If I were the Borg Queen she'd be the first I'd be ordering gunned down, just saying.
 
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