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None of which was stated in the show. In-Universe a borg group requested to join the federation. That same year it is discovered that another borg group has a plan in place to remotely assimilate Starfleet. Picard and his friends have no backup and no plan. The entire fleet is compromised. Would it not make sense to reach out to the the other borg for help?

Yeah, and probably they should have added a throwaway line explaining the lack of Jurati Borg. But also, bear in mind that Matalas was writing "Vox" and "The Last Generation" as a big swing-for-the-fences crowdpleaser for a general audience who may not have watched S1 or S2. On that level, I can understand deciding not to address that kind of minutiae in the limited time he had. I don't agree with the decision but I understand it.
 
Yeah, and probably they should have added a throwaway line explaining the lack of Jurati Borg. But also, bear in mind that Matalas was writing "Vox" and "The Last Generation" as a big swing-for-the-fences crowdpleaser for a general audience who may not have watched S1 or S2. On that level, I can understand deciding not to address that kind of minutiae in the limited time he had. I don't agree with the decision but I understand it.

Yeah this is just another supporting argument for how much better this season of PIC would be if it were S1 and not S3. But alas!
 
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However, it's really just an illusion as the story is just as shallow as that in the sequel trilogy.

Is it? A lot of people can probably connect to the family theme of this season. The Rikers dealing with the loss of their son, Picard finding out that he is a father, Jack looking for connection...

When Jack said to Seven: "Stars in the same galaxy but lighyears between us." I felt a genuine emotional reaction.

I don't think I felt anything like that in ROS. But maybe that's just me. ;-)
 
I was 100% prepared to be underwhelmed by this, and I'll say it upfront that I'm not sold on the Enterprise-G, but this finale managed to hit all of the proper notes for me and bring the story of the Enterprise crew to a satisfying and cathartic conclusion AND OH MY F***ING GOD I WAS TYPING THIS DURING THE CREDITS AND I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT POST-CREDITS SCENE. Holy hell, this is even more awesome than I thought. Q back in all of his mischevious, non-linear glory, and I almost expected Jack to smirk back at him and take him up on the challenge.

I've only had minor gripes with it. I've written whole paragraphs, but they would just bloat my already novel-length post, so I'll spare the complaints about the fleet happily waiting to start to bomb Earth until Picard decided to plug himself into the Collective. It happens all the time on TV anyway. Aside from the Enterprise's small size making me wonder how suited it is to continue the mission of its predecessors, my only real problem with the rechristening is that it's thematically not connected to Seven. After how fondly she described Voyager as her home and family a few episodes ago, the Enterprise just doesn't feel right for her.

But other than this, oh my god, it tugged on my heartstrings so much. From worry and anxiety to excited glee, crying, catharsis, nostalgia, and, by the end, hope. The Borg, in their dying and decaying state, managed to be truly terrifying again, with the monstrously mutated Queen cannibalizing her drones and having gone insane with grief, loneliless and rage, as a completely immobile evil presence in her completely empty, eerily silent chamber, more like a malevolent apparition who can only gloat at our heroes but doesn't really need to do anything else. The Borg Cube being the proverbial eye of the storm was also quite strong, if heavy-handed symbolism. And of course, Jack's love for his family being the real Collective that overpowered the Queen's siren song and woke him up was a very beautiful touch.

Having the old crew back on the Enterprise-D bridge just felt right, even with the small moments showcasing how far they have come since they first set foot on it. The bits of heroics from the various crew members made me pump my fist in absolute glee every single time - be it Beverly finally manning the horseshoe and unleashing an enraged barrage that would put Worf to shame and make everyone stop what they were doing to look back at her slackjawed, Data finally having his first ever gut feeling and navigating the labyrinthine mess of the cube in utter adrenaline-filled excitement, or Deanna sensing her loved ones amidst the collapsed structure, with the Enterprse triumphantly appearing above them to beam them up in the nick of time, then riding the storm surrounded by azure shield glow. Oh how glorious it all was.

Needless to say, there were a lot of moments where I felt my eyes getting misty: Beverly knowing she'll have to sacrifice her son. Picard going back into the Collective after Jack. Deciding to stay with his son until the end. Jack's love for his family overpowering the hive mind. Riker declaring his everlasting love for Troi and promising he'll wait for her with Thad beyond the veil. And, from later on, reminiscing about the Enterprise's role in making the crew (and perhaps us viewers as well) who we are today, and the final goodbye to Majel Barrett and her comforting voice. But the actual moment when I actually started crying came when when Seven hugged Sidney. No words needed. No apology necessary. She understands. She understands it the most out of everyone on that ship and she's here to comfort her.

And of course, we have the ending. The one problem I had with that is how impersonal Tuvok's role was, he was basically just a random bureucrat. It would've only required just a few more words, like him prefacing Seven's performance review with something about how Shaw's words reminded him of some of his own old assessments of Seven. But other than that, it was a fitting and satisfying passing of the torch to the new generation, and even ended on the same overhead poker shot that All Good Things did. And the adventure continues.

Trivia I noticed:
  • The Enterprise-D in the startup Star Trek logo, with an assimilated delta, and the music replaced with the Borg leitmotif from First Contact
  • President Anton Chekov (voiced by Walter Koenig with a much more natural-sounding slavic accent), making a statement not unlike his predecessor did in The Voyage Home.
  • 21st century animated LCARS graphics in the TNG color scheme on the viewscreen were an awesome exploration of what could've been.
  • Saying final goodbye to the Enterprise-D to the music of To Live Forever, the ending track of the Generations soundtrack.
  • The cities shown on the Earth map were hilariously off in Europe (of course, WW3 happened, alright, alright). Expected major population centers like Vienna and Budapest were entirely missing from Central Europe, replaced by something that looked like Graz or Ljubljana.
  • Loved Geordi's decison to park the Enterprise next to the Stargazer. Very fitting to Picard's legacy.
  • Seven symbolically getting the last laugh at Jack by the camera cutting to the Enterprise warping away without hearing the order he was goading her to make.
 
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Yeah, and probably they should have added a throwaway line explaining the lack of Jurati Borg. But also, bear in mind that Matalas was writing "Vox" and "The Last Generation" as a big swing-for-the-fences crowdpleaser for a general audience who may not have watched S1 or S2. On that level, I can understand deciding not to address that kind of minutiae in the limited time he had. I don't agree with the decision but I understand it.

Yea, I don't agree either nor do I understand it. I mean a major part of the season 3 plot involved events from season 1 and there was also a mention of Data and Q's death so its not like they meant to not mention these seasons at all. One of the writers said an initial idea was to have the Jurati borg be destroyed so it's not like they "forgot" about it. Maybe they couldn't come up with a good enough reason for Jurati being unavailable so they just decided to ignore it?
 
The comic series Outer Light was terrible. Some storylines should be left alone.

Tbf though there really isn't much more of a storyline you can get from the events of The Inner Light other than what we saw. Picard experienced a lifetime of memories from that long lost civilization and that was it. Can't really mine anything exciting from that. But that parallel timeline where the Borg have conquered the Alpha Quadrant after the events of The Best of Both Worlds? That's an idea ripe with tons of cool stories just waiting to be told.
 
PIC, season 3, was NEVER intended to be Trek's ANDOR. In fact, it was more like THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT, but in a good way. And, as far as I am concerned, PIC, season 3, succeeded for being what it was designed to be: a serviceable story that managed to hit the right notes and cues, and was designed as a jumping off point for additional stories later, while redeeming NEM. And on that basis, I had fun watching it. Sorry that you took PIC way too seriously to enjoy the show as pop-corn fare. Maybe next time?

I agree. It was not supposed to reinvent Star Trek or to deal with new philosphical problems. It's the 5th TNG movie that gave Picard and his former crew the final send-off. And even the Enterprise D got a final send-off that we never expected.
 
Wow, I think I exploded watching that. :scream:

Q is continuing the trial on humanity with Jack! :scream:

Seven is in command of the Enterprise-G! :scream:

The Walter Keonig voice cameo had me grinning from ear to ear. As did the real Tuvok coming and giving Seven the captaincy.

I wonder if Kurtzman is planning to go ahead with the Legacy series with Seven, Raffi, Jack, and Sidney LaForge? It was nicely set up here, though would Q even be a part of it? Oh hell, I'd watch either way. :p

The final scene of the TNG crew playing poker was a perfect note to go out on, nicely echoing All Good Things...
 
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A lot of stuff in Season 3 I'd have appreciated much more if Season 1 and 2 hadn't happened. Q reappearing in the end credits would have been a "Holy shit!" moment but because of Season 2 it was more like ".....oh, they've brought him back again."
 
That's why I think the animated options should be explored more seriously instead of on shows like Lower Decks (sorry LD fans!). Prodigy is a good start, but nowhere near what animated Trek could do for the franchise. The Clone Wars cartoon basically saved the entire prequel trilogy over at that other Star franchise.

I would love so the a serious Anime version of Trek.
 
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I mean, it's not that Earth leaving the Federation would lead to its downfall. It's that if Earth falls, the entire Federation Council, Supreme Court, and President, and Starfleet Headquarters, are all down there -- so we're talking the decapitation of the entire Federation government in one day. And, the entire Starfleet fleet is apparently all in Earth orbit -- all 7,000 ships -- so the only defense the rest of the Federation would have would be whatever member world space forces remain outside of Starfleet's org chart (the Vulcan Defense Force, the Andorian Imperial Guard, etc.) and whatever civilian ships they can press into service.

That's a very different thing from United Earth legally seceding and the Federation government and Starfleet Headquarters moving off-planet.

If Washington DC was destroyed, presumably the US government has enough redundancies to withstand losing its entire political structure.

I mean, that would depend on how much time they had to get various constitutional officers out of the city. To the best of my knowledge, they don't have "Designated Survivors" placed permanently outside of D.C., only for special events, and they rely on things like the Distant Early Warning system to know to get the President out of the city.

And I sincerely doubt it's even possible to have a Federation government that keeps its branches' and agencies' headquarters on multiple planets. If the Federation President and Council are both gone and Starfleet's fleet is also gone in a matter of hours, the rest of the UFP would have a hell of a time reconstituting the leadership structure even if the Borg suddenly went away. Realistically, Federation worlds would have to rely on their Member State governments, their Member State fleets, and on whatever planet-based or station-based local Starfleet units might survive all operating autonomously.

It's not like every other planet just decides to lay down and literally die by getting assimilated because Earth is gone, any more than if DC is destroyed California would just surrender to whoever made that attack.

Sure. But if the entire Starfleet fleet is there at Earth and got taken, then all those Federation Member States will have to rely on their local fleets. I doubt the Vulcan Defense Force or Andorian Imperial Guard would have the numbers to mount an effective defense.

It went from a handful being experimented on at Section 31 to an indeterminant number. I forgot if Changelings can just reproduce easily, or if as someone suggested, they went back to Gamma and convinced the Odo-Changelings to join them... in which case you'd assume that's an act of war.

I would assume no such thing, since Odo made it clear to Worf that Vadic's Changelings are a rogue faction who defied the rest of the Great Link.

But they also are responsible for the structure of this season. There's no reason why the last episode couldn't be "Family" and deal with the consequences. Instead they skip over all of it with a time jump. It's not my fault that the first 8 episodes were about Vadic.

I mean, sure, but even then, I don't think the series finale of Star Trek: Picard should be spending a lot of time on the trauma of Ensign Ricky. These were tertiary characters portrayed by day players, not primary or secondary characters.

I can't remember if Starfleet has a rule about being in a relationship with someone under your direct command. I guess Picard was able to do it. lol

I mean, it probably should! But it's pretty clear that it doesn't, and if Picard gets to date Beverly as captain of the Enterprise-D then Seven should get to date Raffi aboard the Enterprise-G.

Is it? A lot of people can probably connect to the family theme of this season. The Rikers dealing with the loss of their son, Picard finding out that he is a father, Jack looking for connection...

When Jack said to Seven: "Stars in the same galaxy but lighyears between us." I felt a genuine emotional reaction.

I don't think I felt anything like that in ROS. But maybe that's just me. ;-)

Yeah, that's fair. Even when I think Matalas gets too fan-wanky, I think he works hard to try to ground it in an emotional reality that has more depth than ROS ever had. That scene where Jean-Luc declares that Jack is the piece of himself he never knew was missing was really beautiful.
 
The American healthcare system saved my father twice. It brought my sister back to life after she took a lethal overdose of baclofen. Don't you dare tell me what I do or don't know.

I'm glad it saved your family members, but that doesn't make it okay when it kills thousands upon thousands of people through neglect. "It saved people I love so it must not have serious deficiencies" is not sound logic, and it is not respectful to the people whom the system kills. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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