Cryptic Studios: So does that mean we have to remove all the Borg missions in Star Trek Online?
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They also defied him too. Good luck, Terry. You're going to need it and then some.
It really depends on if they actually have anything take place in the 25th Century after this. I don't think we'll see the Borg in DSC or SFA. I lean towards we'll see the Jurati-Borg, and we might see stray Borg who try to form a new collective, but The Borg Collective as we've known it is done. "The Last Generation" finished what "Endgame" started.
Remember that one Enterprise from a parallel timeline where the Borg had defeated the Federation in the TNG episode "Parallels"? I've wanted a show or movie about that particular parallel timeline. They actually made a comic book series about it back in the 90s but it wasn't really all that great tbh.
Ohh what issues? I have the Star Trek Comic book collection dvd and will go read it
wait until you see the 2023-era CGI phaser strips
So Jack was able to dismantle the entire Collective with his mind (along with Picard's help)?
That cube was all that was left of the collective hive mind.
46th isn't great for a country that loves to beat it's chest and tell the rest of the world what to do.
It's no historic Boseman
There wasn't much of a Collective, unless you include The Damn Kids, but yes.
It's a monument to the horrors of a capitalism.
[*TRIP TUCKER'S GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDNEPHEW HAS ENTERED THE CHAT WITH A BOX OF FIREWORKS AND A BOTTLE OF BOURBON*]
I have to admit, my only thought when the Enterprise was overhead in the cube above Jack and Jean-Luc was...what the hell is the cube full of? Breathable air? Jupiter air? Vacuum? All of them have tradeoffs. The former implies a massive degree of wastefulness (and makes me wonder how the Enterprise ever got inside) while I guess the latter implies there's some sort of invisible force field closer to them keeping the breathable air inside.
Now that I’ve had some time to ruminate…
The Q thing is weird because he’s the version of Q that aged himself to match Picard. And he seems to know that he was perceived to have died. But then he drops the “linear” thing. So I dunno if Q didn’t die or if this is where he disappeared off to when he wasn’t trying to get Soong to kill Picard in S2.
I loved seeing the E-D move like that because it’s how I always pictured it being able to move. Just like how they upgraded the Enterprise attacking The Doomsday Machine in TOS-R. When Kirk/Picard said “evasive maneuvers, pattern delta” or what ever…that’s what I saw.
The biggest thing for me though, is that the more I think about it the more I dislike the Seven/Raffi/Jack/Enterprise stuff. In part because it’s way too fanwanky for a season that is almost pure fanwank (and I love me the memberberries stuff) but also because I think with Raffi and Jack there are more interesting stories to tell with them away from a ship. Like a Worf/Raffi buddy action movie/series would be so much better than Raffi just being another “Number One”.
it just feels like in that instance Matalas was too laser focused on setting up “Legacy” if Paramount ever gives them a greenlight.
I do love that the Enterprise G isn’t a garbage design like the E-F. But I do wish they hadn’t renamed the Titan. Bill Krause has alot of other awesome designs they coulda used.
The Q thing is weird because he’s the version of Q that aged himself to match Picard. And he seems to know that he was perceived to have died. But then he drops the “linear” thing. So I dunno if Q didn’t die or if this is where he disappeared off to when he wasn’t trying to get Soong to kill Picard in S2.
I loved seeing the E-D move like that because it’s how I always pictured it being able to move. Just like how they upgraded the Enterprise attacking The Doomsday Machine in TOS-R. When Kirk/Picard said “evasive maneuvers, pattern delta” or what ever…that’s what I saw.
The biggest thing for me though, is that the more I think about it the more I dislike the Seven/Raffi/Jack/Enterprise stuff. In part because it’s way too fanwanky for a season that is almost pure fanwank (and I love me the memberberries stuff) but also because I think with Raffi and Jack there are more interesting stories to tell with them away from a ship. Like a Worf/Raffi buddy action movie/series would be so much better than Raffi just being another “Number One”.
it just feels like in that instance Matalas was too laser focused on setting up “Legacy” if Paramount ever gives them a greenlight.
I do love that the Enterprise G isn’t a garbage design like the E-F. But I do wish they hadn’t renamed the Titan. Bill Krause has alot of other awesome designs they coulda used.
I'm not going to put in a rating until I see parts 9 and 10 in full (which I haven't yet) - will do so tonight. But I did see pieces of it, primarily the end of the episode. But from what I did see - Matalas corrected a grave injustice that I saw twenty eight years and four months ago in "Star Trek: Generations." Nice to see that ultimately, the Duras sisters failed, and Geordi made their failure complete! And heck, I could get used to that Enterprise-G and I am game for a "Star Trek: Legacy" series as well.
Can't look at this the same way again, that's for sure (and that's not a bad thing at all):
Can't look at this the same way again, that's for sure (and that's not a bad thing at all):
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Super Nintendo World just didn't get the same attendance after Nintendo gave into the demands for "realism" in its games and people jumping and squashing on goombas in the holodeck got splattered with the fungi guts of the dead goomba all over them.
I haven't read the thread before posting this, so I don't know if I'm just not enough of a TNG fan to love this ending - and now having seen the season in totality, yeah, it really didn't hold up.
IMO - In the end, Terry Matalas didn't stick the landing for me. It was INCREDEBLY nostalgic, and that was okay; but sorry, the idea that the original Borg have been dead/dying since the end of Star Trek: First Contact; and the Borg Queen took 30+ years to get her hands on Jack; and effectively just played with Jean-Luc Picard like a mouse and didn't just take them ALL out when they became a threat...
And yeah, exactly what were the Changelings getting out of all this that made it worth it to them. Yeah Vadic might have wanted revenge, but you'd think the lot of them would want something more. Hell, I still have no clue why she (Vadic) supposedly hated Picard so much.
And don't get me started on reviving/rebooting Q <--- That was just ridiculous. Plus if you going to go that crazy and undo the best scene from Picard S2, you'd think Mr. Matalas could have done another Wesley/Traveler cameo - maybe offering Jack a spot with the Travelers?
^^^
IMO no worse then rebooting Q.
(And I'm sure John De Lanicie was just rolling his eyes when they had him on the call sheet for S3 after he did that nice death/goodbye in S2.)
Yeah, Terry Matalas really JUMPED THE SHARK for this ending.
I like PICARD S3 more than S2 - but yeah...as to the ending, as I think and write more about it, sorry, it wasn't good; it just wasn't. <--- And that's annoying because there was a lot of PICARD S3 I liked; but yeah, to hit a home run, you NEED to 'stick the landing' - and they honestly didn't, yet again.
As for 70f9/Raffi/Jack as a 'Legacy' continuation <--- No thanks. I do think Jeri Ryan is a good actress, and overall they gave her better stuff to play/do in PICARD S1-S3 then they ever gave her on Star Trek: Voyager (but to be fair, to this day I consider it the worst Star Trek franchise series, and really didn't watch more than a handful of it's episodes past The 37's. I did give the S4 VOY two parter Scorpion a view; but as soon as they had 7of9 in that Silver catsuit...yeah, didn't bother continuing.)...
But my point: She (Jeri Ryan)still doesn't have the draw/star power to be a Lead for a series of this type; not when there is so much other Star Trek in the works with larger stars (actors). Who knows, maybe one day they'll try a 'Legacy' streaming Star Trek film with the cast they set up; but if I were Terry Matalas, I wouldn't be expecting another call anytime soon.
It was a decent coda to TNG - but overall, yeah, this ending could have stood another writing pass.
But hey, Terry Matalas looks like he got everything he personally wanted from this, so congratulations to him on that as it doesn't happen often in Hollywood.
I still liked this season a lot more than PICARD S1 or S2 (S1 really blew the ending and taking 3 episodes before really starting its main story...
And S2 for me was just a misfire on many cylinders. 'Not Guinan' never really worked for me. If you couldn't get/afford Woopi Goldgerg for the whole part of the story you needed her charcter for - REWRITE!)
And to this day, I think the best 'new' character (and especially his intro) was Elnor. but said character was underused in S1 - Sloppily used in S2 (and yeah, if they could work a Romulan in as a Gary 7/TOS S2 Assignment Earth type 'Supervisor' (of course we know now it's not an alien race doing this but rather a godlike Wesley Crusher); they could have worked Elnor in more than just using him as some 2 minute 'combat hologram'. And yeah, guess Terry Matalas even killed him off if her was still on the USS Excelsior when the Borg blew it up <--- WTG Terry Matalas; hell Raffi and 70f9 never mention him AT ALL in PICARD S3.
So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is PICARD the series was okay IF you don't think about the actual stories it told too much...
IMO - In the end, Terry Matalas didn't stick the landing for me. It was INCREDEBLY nostalgic, and that was okay; but sorry, the idea that the original Borg have been dead/dying since the end of Star Trek: First Contact; and the Borg Queen took 30+ years to get her hands on Jack; and effectively just played with Jean-Luc Picard like a mouse and didn't just take them ALL out when they became a threat...
And yeah, exactly what were the Changelings getting out of all this that made it worth it to them. Yeah Vadic might have wanted revenge, but you'd think the lot of them would want something more. Hell, I still have no clue why she (Vadic) supposedly hated Picard so much.
And don't get me started on reviving/rebooting Q <--- That was just ridiculous. Plus if you going to go that crazy and undo the best scene from Picard S2, you'd think Mr. Matalas could have done another Wesley/Traveler cameo - maybe offering Jack a spot with the Travelers?
^^^
IMO no worse then rebooting Q.
(And I'm sure John De Lanicie was just rolling his eyes when they had him on the call sheet for S3 after he did that nice death/goodbye in S2.)
Yeah, Terry Matalas really JUMPED THE SHARK for this ending.
I like PICARD S3 more than S2 - but yeah...as to the ending, as I think and write more about it, sorry, it wasn't good; it just wasn't. <--- And that's annoying because there was a lot of PICARD S3 I liked; but yeah, to hit a home run, you NEED to 'stick the landing' - and they honestly didn't, yet again.
As for 70f9/Raffi/Jack as a 'Legacy' continuation <--- No thanks. I do think Jeri Ryan is a good actress, and overall they gave her better stuff to play/do in PICARD S1-S3 then they ever gave her on Star Trek: Voyager (but to be fair, to this day I consider it the worst Star Trek franchise series, and really didn't watch more than a handful of it's episodes past The 37's. I did give the S4 VOY two parter Scorpion a view; but as soon as they had 7of9 in that Silver catsuit...yeah, didn't bother continuing.)...
But my point: She (Jeri Ryan)still doesn't have the draw/star power to be a Lead for a series of this type; not when there is so much other Star Trek in the works with larger stars (actors). Who knows, maybe one day they'll try a 'Legacy' streaming Star Trek film with the cast they set up; but if I were Terry Matalas, I wouldn't be expecting another call anytime soon.
It was a decent coda to TNG - but overall, yeah, this ending could have stood another writing pass.
But hey, Terry Matalas looks like he got everything he personally wanted from this, so congratulations to him on that as it doesn't happen often in Hollywood.
I still liked this season a lot more than PICARD S1 or S2 (S1 really blew the ending and taking 3 episodes before really starting its main story...
And S2 for me was just a misfire on many cylinders. 'Not Guinan' never really worked for me. If you couldn't get/afford Woopi Goldgerg for the whole part of the story you needed her charcter for - REWRITE!)And to this day, I think the best 'new' character (and especially his intro) was Elnor. but said character was underused in S1 - Sloppily used in S2 (and yeah, if they could work a Romulan in as a Gary 7/TOS S2 Assignment Earth type 'Supervisor' (of course we know now it's not an alien race doing this but rather a godlike Wesley Crusher); they could have worked Elnor in more than just using him as some 2 minute 'combat hologram'. And yeah, guess Terry Matalas even killed him off if her was still on the USS Excelsior when the Borg blew it up <--- WTG Terry Matalas; hell Raffi and 70f9 never mention him AT ALL in PICARD S3.
So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is PICARD the series was okay IF you don't think about the actual stories it told too much...
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It was called "The Worst of Both Worlds":
https://them0vieblog.com/2014/03/03...ion-dc-47-50-the-worst-of-both-worlds-review/
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