it would certainly lower the budget. could just have his torpedo tube sitting around, complaining about things.Somehow I can't see us getting a Captain Liam Shaw tv Star Trek show anymore...
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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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I think this could be interesting since it would allow for a deeper exploration of the character. The Borgphobia could be one angle but also coming back from the dead would be a heck of an experience that could really mess up Shaw, especially since he seemed at peace with dying. He could have even more survivor's guilt as a result.
To be fair, most of those characters hadn't been seen in so long, as in decades, that we never expected to see them again anyway. If you're unlikely to ever use the characters again, why not give them a big dramatic death scene instead of consigning them back to limbo?
I mean, it's not as though killing Shelby means we're never going to get the STAR TREK: SHELBY series we've all be waiting for since the eighties.
I probably shouldn't admit this but I often breathe a sigh of relief when I kill off a character because it feels like tidying up loose ends. Means I'm on the downward slope and getting closer to wrapping up a story. Not unlike spring cleaning.
So? Because we haven't seen a character in a while (and will likely not see them again), they should die? For some faux sense of "closure?"
It's still a crappy storytelling decision to litter your series with a series of random, increasingly meanginless deaths. Sure, no one expected to see Shelby again (so?), but her death scene was still cruddy and was the furthest thing from "tidy."
Go and read the Coda novels. Gives you a perspective that makes this season look like Flotter on the Holodeck.
indeed. And lest not forget that him dying to let his crew mates escape is a sort of atonement for escaping at Wolf 359 while his friends died.
Honestly, I find it pretentious how so many people think they get to be on a first-name basis with people they barely know or aren't friends with. When I worked as a manager at a movie theatre, I wore a name tag with "Mr. [Lastname]" on it instead of my first name because I was so sick of strangers talking to me like they knew me. Boundaries are not a bad thing, and a request to be addressed by your last name is not disrespectful to others as long as he was willing to reciprocate and always treated coworkers with courtesy.
No, it is not. Killing supporting legacy characters like Hugh, Icheb, Ro, Q, or Shelby is neither good nor bad; such decisions can be executed well or executed poorly.
In this instance, the particular choreography used to kill Shelby was a bit more awkward than I would prefer, but the idea that Shelby would die makes sense and serves the story well.
Whoever served as the audience focal point for Starfleet authority upon the Titan's arrival needed to die in order for this to feel like the Borg really have taken over the fleet. Those audience members who recognize the character (and not everyone will -- I had to remind my wife, who is a die-hard DS9 fan, who Shelby was) will have a sense of familiarity with her, and that familiarity will heighten the sense of danger that the general situation is supposed to engender. And finally, this was not a character that a meaningfully large number of people were hoping would headline a new series or which the creators were itching to bring back, so killing her doesn't close any creative doors the writers or a meaningful number of fans were interested in keeping open.
Killing Shelby was a good creative choice.
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Re: the claim that the crew of the Titan are too young.
Turns out the actors playing the Titan bridge crew are all in their 30s or older! And Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut, who plays Sidney LaForge, is as old as LeVar Burton was when he started on TNG!
The fast track promotion to admiral was necessary because he was the driving force and initiator of the Romulan rescue mission, but his rank was too low considering the magnitude of the task (also on a diplomatic and procedural level).
He had to leave the Enterprise because she was not predestined for evacuation missions and got the USS Verity (Odyssey-class) as flagship and chose Raffi as first officer
So I recently saw a TrekCulture theory that the reason that the Romulans chose Picard to clone was because of the intel they received from Tasha Yar post Yesterday’s Enterprise.
What?
Have to admit, it always implicitly seemed the case. Shinzon has ‘Sela’s batshit plan’ written all over it.
Koval, when hearing about Shinzon: "She did WHAT again? By Vorta Vor, this woman gets on my nerves..."
Sorry fleet captain lol
I'm really curious what Discovery will inevitably do with them in the 32nd century.
I heard he dashed his Plomeek soup against the wall. But couldn’t admit to it, because it was illegally imported, so it just kind of rotted in the carpet underneath his Welsh dresser.
I always preferred the idea that the Romulans cloned several up-and-coming Starfleet officers, and it was just luck that Picard's clone managed to amass some small amount of clout that could be built upon, and the rest died in the mines.
Interesting theory. That has some merit.
So one of the best episodes of TNG will be responsible for the worst movie of TNG?
Kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorry if this has been discussed before. I think they either had a script edit error, or a Burton ad-lib, or something just completely flew under the radar during editing near the end when they were all in the shuttle:
Worf: “Will she fly?”
“La Forge: “What do you think, Captain?”
Picard: “She will fly…”
Did Geordi just gave Jean Luc a field demotion before the Enterprise computer did the same moments later?
Worf: “Will she fly?”
“La Forge: “What do you think, Captain?”
Picard: “She will fly…”
Did Geordi just gave Jean Luc a field demotion before the Enterprise computer did the same moments later?
Um, no. The computer says, "Command transferred to Captain Jean Luc Picard."
And Picard jokes about accepting a demotion.
Which is silliness at it's highest, as any ship commander is called "Captain" regardless of actual rank.