Grant you about Terrell, but Saavik is there to the end, which is different. She's also right and Kirk wrong about something major (the shields).
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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Grant you about Terrell, but Saavik is there to the end, which is different. She's also right and Kirk wrong about something major (the shields).
Anyone notice at the CGI for the D was much better done than what we got for the Titan? I suspect they put a lot more time into it because they knew that was a ship everybody was going to scrutinize. They did a great job with it honestly and I have absolutely no complaints.
This is what I meant way back when I said the reading will come down as to who is looking at it — there’s an attack there, and you can either see ‘your’ ideology as victim or aggressor. Much like Orwell’s 1984, where by and large both ‘sides’ of our political spectrums believe it to be an attack on the other, and therefore claim it as their own.
(It is heavily based on criticising the left/communism as it was then going in the real world, but really at its heart it is about authoritarianism without shade or hue, and intentionally therefore also applies itself as a criticism of the right/nationalism, written also in the shadow of World War II)
It is openly an SF allegory and critique on ‘be careful what voices you listen to’ and ‘young people are malleable’ but it has yet to land fully on who that is a critique of. People will see it as what they want to at this juncture. There’s even that explicit criticism of charismatic leaders, which also cuts either way, and a suggestion of harmful things being unwittingly passed down to our children.
It’s all going to come down to the final episode.
Star Trek has always reflected commentary on modern day issues. If the liberal agenda was OK to push in Discovery, a conservative agenda should be allowed as well.
I am independent and not a member of either party. So I have no horse in the race either way.
Yeah definitely, I don't think they went out of their way to portray it this way, I just think it is just indicative of a broader human tendency to prefer fixed, static identities, ideals, etc. to the idea that these 'structures' are not structures at all and are constantly in flux as we age and have experience, whether we have awareness of it or not. But I guess it might be too much to hope for STU to apply post-structural commentary...maybe on discovery!
The TNG crew and that era always seemed more built for that kind of thing, to be honest. It’s a real child of its times in that regard. It’s interesting seeing it happen in this day and age though.
There's a saying about how whenever someone says something like this, claims to be neither left wing nor right wing, they are right wing when it comes down to it.
In any case, even if this is a bit of a conservative agenda, I don't have a problem with it.
Actually it is hard to imagine. Starfleet has thousands of ships. So what, there are thousands of changelings that all got the special solid goo mojo from vadic stopping all the reports and killing all the transporter maintenance guys?
Sure, Jan.
Happened in the past in the 21st century, stayed out of history’s way until they closed the loop.
The Borg in the Confederation were also unfriendly, they just got their arses more emphatically kicked.
Has he been partly controlled by the Borg? Yes they were spooking in his head, and he got powers but I wasnt under the impression they had any influence. (besides of course chasing him but I guess thats not what you ment.)
And yes of course, within the plot it makes sense that only people of a certain age are affected. To be consistent in its own logic is always a good thing. But this logic, the intentional and unintentional parts, come from the writing room and our interaction with the material. Getting everybody out of the way except the (literal) old crew is interesting outside of the story itself.
I have not made up my mind about what kind of story this show is actually telling.
That was later. I was talking about how they seemed before Voyager got a hold of them or before we got a Queen.
I would put this pretty level with PIC 1. Prefer having the whole crew together and an actual Starfleet ship but I thought PIC 1 had a better plot and done the Easter eggs and camoes better than PIC 3 which is a bit over the top and also the plot feels like it's just an excuse to facilitate memberberries.
I wouldn't say best new Trek but maybe close to best live action after SNW but that's a really low bar given my view on Disco and that shockingly awful PIC 2
Ohhh yes that's right it happened in the past, fair point. I was remembering new queen and old queen chatting on La Sirena, so was assuming it was 'present' day, not 2022 or whatever rural France. Thanks.
That is only said by people who don’t think other people are left enough.
And the same thing with slight inversion is said by people who don’t think people are right wing enough.
At this juncture, it’s entirely possible that if you are pissing off people on both sides, you are probably doing something right, but no one will like you for it. XD
As somone who had her career and retired, and now runs a buisness, I find it very hard to hire anyone young who is motivated to work. And when I do hire someone, they are on their damn phones at every moment. I pay a great starting wage at $28 an hour full time. I am frankly avoiding hiring young people as I have been burned so many times by them. In my experence they expect so much in return for so little and come in with a massive chip on their shoulder.
I don't pretend to know everything but I do have far more life experience than young people simply because I am older. I tried giving them a chance by raising my wage $10 as people kept telling me that young people won't take jobs due to the fact they don't pay well. I still got people who have a defeatist attitude and blanket blame older people. Guess what - no one ever said each new generation will automatically do better than the previous.
I think the problem is that they grew up with instant satisfaction with computers and smartphones, and when they hit the real world they can't interact with people one to one, and they realize how fucking hard it is to make it in real life and it's not instant like smartphones and they get a bitter attitude as many jobs don't pay well. Mine does and I still get this.
So that's why I saw the 25 and under in this episode as direct commentary to my issues. It spoke to me in that way. And I am sure others it speaks to in different ways. And that's ok!
Nahh it is a real phenomenon. Notice that back until about 2015 there were loads of people in the USA who claimed to be 'independent' libertarians who were 'neither left nor right' and 'social liberals, fiscal conservatives'. When it came down to it they broke something like 90% for the Trump Republicans. That's why you don't hear so much from libertarians anymore, they've pretty openly just become conservatives (in the 'alt-right').
It was disrespectful to Data. It's worse than Shaw deadnaming Seven.
Doesn’t change the fact they haven’t earned it if they do it at this point. There’s been no hint of a romantic relationship here. Their relationship very much reads adults who had a child together and get along. But they realize they can’t be a couple. And of course Jack will live. I thought for a bit he might bite it. But a mothers love will save the day.
Lol… it is not worse.
As I mentioned in another thread, my husband is a professor. We are both ultra-lefties, but he does share some of your frustrations with how phone-addicted and fickle some of the current students are. But none of what you said really addresses the main economic problem facing gen z, which is the colossal cost of housing.
I have always been independent as a voter, and I voted for Trump simply because as a woman I detest Hillary Clinton. Is that wrong?
I'm on page 20. So far, I have enjoyed these words:
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
This. The Enterprise D is more than the bridge. It's an environment we spent 150 episodes in. I know we won't, I know why, but I wish we got more of a sense of the whole ship.
*Snicker*
Well said. I agree it's executed well, but... No, you said that better than I could.
Only 60 more pages!
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
This. The Enterprise D is more than the bridge. It's an environment we spent 150 episodes in. I know we won't, I know why, but I wish we got more of a sense of the whole ship.
*Snicker*
Well said. I agree it's executed well, but... No, you said that better than I could.
Only 60 more pages!