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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Remember the queen already planned atmospheric assimilation years before in Dark Frontier:
QUEEN: Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed, so we've created a more surreptitious strategy.
SEVEN: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere.
QUEEN: It would infect all lifeforms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realised what was happening, half their population would be drones.

EJD1984 said:
Not complaining at all, but if Geordi was restoring the Enterprise, then wouldn't that have been at its last incarnation? Like the Bridge we saw in Generations. I actually really like this version.
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Geordi might have wanted to restore the one that needs less work - no additional stations to rebuild etc.
And it's a nicer memory how she looked at her peak than how she looked at her miserable crash :D

TOMFAN said:
So Jack's a 'transmitter', which probably means that he'll end up transmitting a shut down command to all of the Borg, possibly via the Ent-D somehow, in the final 10 minutes of next weeks episode!
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He'll overtake the queen and become king, then disables the whole collective :D

thribs said:
The Borg Queen can’t be that far away if Jack was able to get there by shuttle in a few minutes.
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There was a transwarp conduit involved.

Verteron said:
What I found interesting was to find out a Galaxy class starship can be operated (and potentially be expected to fight) by what amounts to three people: Data and Geordi on ops/conn and Worf on tactical, with the minor assistance of Riker punching a few buttons and Bev with a tricorder.

I guess automation really has come along since Kirk's days.
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And Data and Geordi even switched roles (probably a mistake that somehow no one noticed, not even during filming)
It's been shown that Picard and Riker alone could fly the ship in 11001001.

eschaton said:
I just realized that since the borg DNA has been added to all the oldesters as well, that kind of implies that everyone who has been in a transporter will now pass that crap on to their children, much as Picard passed his own borg DNA on to Jack.
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Only if it's in their germ cells. It might have just been beamed into the brain.
 
I think I would have enjoyed this more if they didn’t introduce the borg again, but maybe the changelings found out about Picard dna and jack during their infiltration and then use a deserted Borg cube to maybe do the same thing. I just don’t feel like this show needed changelings taking orders from another villain, who turned out to be the Borg.
 
It's strange that the Borg would invest this much effort into a species that they describe as,
"Species five six one eight. Human. Warp capable. Origin, grid three two five. Physiology inefficient, below average cranial capacity, minimal redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities." (Dark Frontier)

As for the names of the ships, all the new ones have a Terran origin.
 
Lakenheath 72 said:
It's strange that the Borg would invest this much effort into a species that they describe as,
"Species five six one eight. Human. Warp capable. Origin, grid three two five. Physiology inefficient, below average cranial capacity, minimal redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities." (Dark Frontier)
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He tasks me.
 
gvn2fly said:
I think I would have enjoyed this more if they didn’t introduce the borg again, but maybe the changelings found out about Picard dna and jack during their infiltration and then use a deserted Borg cube to maybe do the same thing. I just don’t feel like this show needed changelings taking orders from another villain, who turned out to be the Borg.
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I don't mind the idea that the Dominion (or some faction of them) might have an alliance of convenience with the Borg (or some faction of them). That's not a crazy idea. And given that this is the Grand Finale of "the next generation" after so many years, creating an alliance like this seems like a fitting final showdown with the Big Bads.
 
NCC-73515 said:
Remember the queen already planned atmospheric assimilation years before in Dark Frontier:
QUEEN: Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed, so we've created a more surreptitious strategy.
SEVEN: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere.
QUEEN: It would infect all lifeforms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realised what was happening, half their population would be drones.


Geordi might have wanted to restore the one that needs less work - no additional stations to rebuild etc.
And it's a nicer memory how she looked at her peak than how she looked at her miserable crash :D


He'll overtake the queen and become king, then disables the whole collective :D


There was a transwarp conduit involved.


And Data and Geordi even switched roles (probably a mistake that somehow no one noticed, not even during filming)
It's been shown that Picard and Riker alone could fly the ship in 11001001.


Only if it's in their germ cells. It might have just been beamed into the brain.
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There’s tons of dialogue that answers so many of our questions here (I finally got to see the whole episode…) and the performances are really elevating it too. It is a ten.

vis a vis Data and Geordi, Geordi is just running engineering from that panel instead of his station at the back of the bridge, Data is running helm and navigation (which he did plenty of times on the show from his ops position) because the D always had reconfigurable panels anyway. It’s clear from the dialogue. Even Beverly looks like she’s just tied her tricorder in to the systems, and holding it like a happy good luck charm — so was reporting what she could see was the case.
The way Riker kept reassuring Geordi silently on the rear of the bridge, and the way Deanna took over from Picards speech to reassure him again by mentioning his children, and Jack by name — all with little cuts to Geordi — was really subtle and perfectly character based ways of keeping the main ins story in the moment. Particularly after Deanna’s speech about Picard way back in Nepenthe.

What they are gonna do now? Goodness knows.
Seven looked angry at the quick cut after Shaw went — it’s possible he is only mostly dead.

The subtext continues to be… intriguing. Especially in light of Jacks speech about ‘if they could only see, talk to each other.. who knew the answer was AI authoritarianism’ being made. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out. (Old ‘progressives’ saving young ‘progressives’ who have been manipulated by old enemies using tech… if it’s not intentional, it’s one hell of a coincidence, and if it is intentional, I really want to see where they are headed with that.)
 
10/10

Sorry I can't read 71 pages! Truly this was one of my favorite hours of Star Trek. Pissed about Shaw dying...damnit! Plus Shelby too? She deserved better.

So many great payoffs culminating with the Enterprise-D, a little rough around the edges, reveal! I always felt if they were going to have the ship that we knew for 7 seasons go down it should be valiantly at the hands of her greatest foe the Borg. Not tossed away by some bull shit Bird-of-Prey. Seems like that might be rectified next week. Worf loving on the Enterprise-E more than the D was great too. There's a story to be told there based on the side eye he was getting from the crew apparently. :lol:

Looking forward to the finale but don't want this ride to end.
 
One change I wish they would have made is instead of saying the "entire" fleet is at Frontier Day, I think it would have been better to say "most" of Starfleet is present.

I understand the story reason why they did it, since they want to have the situation be the Enterprise as the only hope against destruction, but it just makes no sense. I mean it feels really stupid to say there's no other starships except the ones we see above Earth, especially given that the amount seen seems like a really small number given the size of the Federation and the number of ships seen during the Dominion War.

And there's no reason to even specify it as the "entire" fleet being at Earth, since they've already set up that all of the commissioned ships tied to the Starfleet mainframe would be affected. So they could have just did a montage of all the Starfleet ships across the Alpha Quadrant getting hit at nearly the same time and that would make more sense.
 
Where do you start with this one? It's getting worse people. It really feels like the screenwriters suddenly panicked, realising that there's only two episodes left and that the fanbase actually demands some kind of conclusion, logic, character or pacing be damned, not that they've cared about these essential elements to storytelling in the first place.

So many plot exposition dumps, complete and utter head scratchers all over the shop.... what? how? why? That doesn't make sense. Oh, it's alright, they're back on the Enterprise.

And I'm actually not slagging this episode in terms of pacing: it actually goes somewhere, as daft as that journey is, which is in such stark contrast to what had preceded it. Looks great, music and the cut is working. But the contrivances are really too long to list, as well as the character beats not making one bit of sense, and nostalgia can only go so far. So so poor.
 
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