Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[Tuskin38]

How did Vadic know what Jack was seeing, unless the Borg Queen could see what Jack was seeing and told her.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

To me anyway, it seemed that Admiral Shelby was there as the "Guest Admiral" to make things seem normal.
She's probably retired like Picard and was called back for the ceremony.
(just like Picard was supposed to do)
Therefore, she wouldn't have a clue about what was really going on, hence why the Borg had no compunction about phasering her.

All possible! But given how the networking is such an obviously bad idea, and so is gathering the entire fleet, you would hope someone sensible would refuse to be a figurehead for it.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I'm literally picturing a nightclub full of drunk/high 18-to-25 year olds all simultaneously going Borg in the middle of a rave now. Every teenager and young adult at a wilderness camp. Kids in schools, people at movie theaters, singers onstage at concerts, actors onstage in touring theatre productions...

Instead of gen z and their phones, they could have gone for an allegory for the young spreading covid at all these kinds of events.

 

[jaime]

They didn't even need that whole goofy angle.

So, your answer is, when given information as to why the writers did something, is to then decide it wasn’t necessary anyway? You appear to want stories where everything is new, yet nothing is new, where things happen for clear reasons, but also do not happen at all, that hark back to the good old days, but also you think the good old days did not happen, as they were also rubbish.
It must be very difficult to find such things.
You also seem to wish to discuss these things, without ever actually discussing.
Since you are watching this show, is there anything that makes you decide to watch it? That you enjoy? Anything about Trek in general?

 

[Phily B]

Shelby died doing what she loved, failing to kill the Borg.

 

[jaime]

To be honest the portal weapon attack on the Starfleet Recruiting Center on M'talas Prime was a lot more shocking and interesting than stealing Picard's organic corpse.

Which, when you think about it, is absolutely the point.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

So, your answer is, when given information as to why the writers did something, is to then decide it wasn’t necessary anyway? You appear to want stories where everything is new, yet nothing is new, where things happen for clear reasons, but also do not happen at all, that hark back to the good old days, but also you think the good old days did not happen, as they were also rubbish.
It must be very difficult to find such things.
You also seem to wish to discuss these things, without ever actually discussing.
Since you are watching this show, is there anything that makes you decide to watch it? That you enjoy? Anything about Trek in general?

If you don't mind some unsolicited advice, just don't engage. Don't feed the troll. Everyone else seems to be ignoring them, and it seems to be working.

 

[Romulan_spy]

By the way, the show actually did drop some hints of the Borg assimilation plan to use transporters to add DNA to crew members. Remember the transporter chief on the Titan was revealed to be a changeling. Also, Ro Laren took a shuttle over to the Titan because she did not trust the transporters on the Intrepid. It all makes sense now.

 

[Campe]

Ya know, I’ve been doing it too but I realize a lot of us are getting it wrong. It’s Ed Speleers. Not Ed Speelers. Noticed it in the credits this morning and literally, “Aw, WTF?”

 

[DaveyNY]

All possible! But given how the networking is such an obviously bad idea, and so is gathering the entire fleet, you would hope someone sensible would refuse to be a figurehead for it.

Why would a Retired Admiral have any say?
Especially when the actual Admirals in charge are possibly all Changelings and gave Shelby a convincing story.
They may have even mentioned that Picard backed out, which might have been egocentric on her part for agreeing.

 

[yenny]

The Borg Queen that was feature, is the very first one. The main Borg Queen. The Borg Qube is the very first Borg Qube. The antennas on it say it is the very first one. Making the Borg Queen on it the very first one. Picard have to go and face her and us her past against her. Ask her why and keep asking it, which will bring up her human feelings; And she tell everyone the history the Borg and how they begin. Of course that is just a guess of mine.
But I've guess right on the Enterprise D.

 

[Fateor]

Yeah, it's not a continuity problem, but it certainly feels implausible that they could operate a ship that normally had a crew of 1,000 in the heat of battle.

Functionally speaking, the only thing they loose out on by going into battle without a crew is damage control.

And even that's up in the air given they had damage control drones a hundred years ago, which is especially relevant here given Geordi directly mentioned using Drones to load the D's torpedo's.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Ya know, I’ve been doing it too but I realize a lot of us are getting it wrong. It’s Ed Speleers. Not Ed Speelers. Noticed it in the credits this morning and literally, “Aw, WTF?”

And he's such a fine young ... 23... year old!

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Why would a Retired Admiral have any say?

Could be a tag line for Picard!

 

[eschaton]

I just realized that since the borg DNA has been added to all the oldesters as well, that kind of implies that everyone who has been in a transporter will now pass that crap on to their children, much as Picard passed his own borg DNA on to Jack.

 

[DaveyNY]

Could be a tag line for Picard!

Which may also be another reason why the Changelings picked Picard to make the grand speech to begin with.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I just realized that since the borg DNA has been added to all the oldesters as well, that kind of implies that everyone who has been in a transporter will now pass that crap on to their children, much as Picard passed his own borg DNA on to Jack.

Ohh good point! Will they all see the red door too?

 

[jaime]

Yeah. But I gotta say, if I'm either the Borg Queen or Vadic or whoever was in charge of figuring out how to implement this plan, I would definitely have a Changeling infiltrate the transporter networks used at the Federation Council and Federation President's offices. I would absolutely want to have as many assimilated interns and staff assistants and legislative correspondents and junior assistants to deputy chiefs of staff as possible in the Federation Capitol and Federation White House* to decapitate Federation civilian leadership simultaneous with capturing the fleet.

* In the novels, the Federation Council and President are both housed in a large building in Paris called the Palais de la Concorde, built over the real-life Place de la Concorde. Council Chambers and offices take up the lower floors, the middle floor has a large state dining room, and the President's offices take up the upper floors, with the Presidential Office itself as the top floor.



I would assume that they had not begun their plot at least as of 2399, since presumably the Changelings would have had an easy time abducting Picard in his first body from his residence in LaBarre. Other than that? It's an open question. I would assume that it was going on at least as far back as the start of 2401, since it's only been about three months since the launch of the Stargazer and presumably the Changelings would need more than three months to infiltrate so high into Starfleet that they're able to put every damn ship in orbit of one planet for Frontier Day.



On the other hand, if you can hack into a few civilian networks while you're at it? I'd say that would be worth the time and effort to suddenly have hundreds of thousands, or possibly even millions, of drones at large all across the surface.

I'm literally picturing a nightclub full of drunk/high 18-to-25 year olds all simultaneously going Borg in the middle of a rave now. Every teenager and young adult at a wilderness camp. Kids in schools, people at movie theaters, singers onstage at concerts, actors onstage in touring theatre productions...



Exactly.



To be clear, I am not at all claiming it's intentional. I agree it's not an intentional allegory. But subtext can happen unintentionally.



It might not have been the best way to destroy her, but I think the Enterprise-D needed to be destroyed in Star Trek: Generations. That film was about mortality, and I think thematically the Enterprise-D needed to "die" to provide thematic closure to Picard grieving the loss of his brother and nephew.



I agree that Star Trek: Picard needed to revisit the Borg at some point, since that was one of the central traumas of Jean-Luc's life. But I feel like we got all the closure we needed on that in S1 and S2. I suppose we might get final closure with one last confrontation between Jean-Luc and the Krige Queen (as compared to the Annie Wersching [may her memory be a blessing] Queen).



LaForge was speaking metaphorically, not literally.



Maybe that Changeling was just very stupid? Or misunderstood the plan?

Fuck, the entire Federation might have been saved if Seven hadn't saved Jack!

Doesn’t dialogue establish that the brain mutation is a bit ‘X-Gene’ and only kicks in at a certain age? And Jack says he’s always felt different, but he and Beverly say people have only been after him the last few months?
This plan would only have kicked in once they knew about Jack, or once he manifested his mutant abilities. Now Jack is Legion…

 

[Campe]

I just realized that since the borg DNA has been added to all the oldesters as well, that kind of implies that everyone who has been in a transporter will now pass that crap on to their children, much as Picard passed his own borg DNA on to Jack.

Exactly one of the reasons why they’re going to use Jack’s transmitter to end the Borg once and for all. They can’t keep that shit going.

 

[Aragorn]

When they were on the bridge at the end, did part of the music remind anyone else of this?

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