Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[Racefuel]

The size of starfleet scales with the plot.

You go from Enterprise being the only ship between Earth and the Klingon Border in TMP, Picard having to drag repair yards in Redemption to get 20 ships together...

To 9,000 ship fleets in DS9.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Putting the Borg aside, allowing all your ships to be remotely controlled with no way to override it just seems like a terrible idea with little upside.

Well, in theory, networking your fleet could drastically improve efficiency. The fleet could coordinate attacks much faster and better, making starfleet more potent in battle. They could rescue ships in distress faster since they would know exactly where the ship is and even remote control it out of danger. They could instantly coordinate which ship will do the diplomatic mission to Vega III and which ship will do the supply run to Antares I and change orders quickly in an emergency. If some space monster suddenly attacks a planet, they could instantly dispatch the right ships to intercept. It could basically give Starfleet Borg-like reflexes. Of course, there are some big downsides too.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I'm also 90% certain they will be pinned down and be rescused by Admiral Janeway.

I hope they don't get back together again in the final scenes. Having them be a couple that's only ever hinted at and never actually a couple smacks a bit of queerbaiting.

 

[SJGardner]

I could be wrong, but I'm 90% certain we're gonna get a few scenes of Seven and Raffi playing cat and mouse with the assimilated youngins on the Titan, trying to take back control...and hopefully dealing with their relationship shit finally as well.

I'm also thinking we might be seeing a "Die Hard on the Titan" kind of plot with them next week. I didn't really express myself in there well, but I certainly don't think this is the last we saw of them in the series. It just felt like they were rushing it so that we could focus on the Enterprise for the rest of the episode.

 

[jaime]

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational museum piece! You may fire at will, Captain Worf.



Yep but my point is I think the season plot would work better without the networking thing at all. Having all under 25s borgified instantly would be effective enough.

Totally… but as conceit to get a vintage ship out to play? And as a back up plan in case the *don’t* get Jack in time? It’s plausible enough to hold, if a little undercooked.

 

[Sci]

Side-note:

So... does this mean that every Starfleet officer under 25 who's on the surface of Earth is also now Borg? Have the Borg simultaneously seized control of Starfleet Headquarters complex? Has their transporter network infiltration extended to the Federation government and civilian commercial transporters? Have the junior staffers in the Federation government also been affected -- are Borgified interns laying siege to the Federation Capitol Building and Presidential Office? Is a sizable percentage of the general civilian population also affected? Is the President in a bunker? Has the Council been attacked? Like, just what is going on down on the surface right now?

 

[fireproof78]

Oh wow, I think we're actually agreeing on something for once!

It was bound to happen eventually.

 

[Vyse]

Sure. They were five years old and threadbare. Plus, Berman wanted to put a different visual stamp on the film, to differentiate it from the series.


Because the new unforms they had made for the film were junked after a day of filming with them. It's why the scene of Geordi being tortured isn't in the film -- it was shot with Burton wearing the junked uniform and not remounted.

Stewart and Spiner had custom uniforms made in the Deep Space Nine style. Frakes wore Avery Brooks' costume, and Burton wore Colm Meaney's.

I've never been able to get confirmation of this, but I suspect the new Generations unifoms were to then be used on Voyager. It was an accounting trick Berman used again with First Contact -- bill the new uniforms and props for the television series (plural) to the film budget. If Voyager used the uniforms made for Generations, then that's a cost that didn't have to be spread across the first season's budgets like the the sets.

Interesting information, thanks.

I do find it funny that with all the budget concerns, I wonder how much money they spent on those naval costumes used in the holodeck scene in Generations.

 

[jaime]

I hope they don't get back together again in the final scenes. Having them be a couple that's only ever hinted at and never actually a couple smacks a bit of queerbaiting.

The actors did a whole audio drama for Amazon/Audible between series 1 and 2. The first of its kind for Trek I believe.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Totally… but as conceit to get a vintage ship out to play? And as a back up plan in case the *don’t* get Jack in time? It’s plausible enough to hold, if a little undercooked.

'Undercooked' is the right word, I think. A few scenes where someone (Shelby?) explains the rationale behind the networking and how they know there are risks, but they judge it worth it, would work well.

It's just awkward that there are now two totally separate 'collectives', one of people one of ships.

 

[jaime]

The tower is still (sort of) part of government. This would be more like the tanks in the imperial war museum being ready to fight. (And rebuilt tanks at that, ones recovered from a battle or other crash.)

*hand wiggle*
Yeah. But squint enough.

 

[Campe]

Side-note:

So... does this mean that every Starfleet officer under 25 who's on the surface of Earth is also now Borg? Have the Borg simultaneously seized control of Starfleet Headquarters complex? Has their transporter network infiltration extended to the Federation government and civilian commercial transporters? Have the junior staffers in the Federation government also been affected -- are Borgified interns laying siege to the Federation Capitol Building and Presidential Office? Is a sizable percentage of the general civilian population also affected? Is the President in a bunker? Has the Council been attacked? Like, just what is going on down on the surface right now?

All good unanswered questions.

 

[CPT Baldwin]

And you need to lay off the personal remarks.

It wasn't a personal remark in the slightest, about a 0% chance of it being, the comment was to illustrate that there are clear differences between this season and the previous 2, but no that's ok, be butthurt over nothing!

 

[BandoOfBorg]

I guess they learned nothing from alternate historical documents.

 

[Tuskin38]

This episode moved the season into shameless fan service.

This episode? It was that way all season.

He's got all the weapons working and the ship is ready to load torpedos and go into combat? Not buying that one.

Well the torpedoes could have come from the station's own defences.

It wasn't a personal remark in the slightest, about a 0% chance of it being, the comment was to illustrate that there are clear differences between this season and the previous 2, but no that's ok, be butthurt over nothing!

Claiming I need my head checked is most certianlly a personal remark.

Picard is still the same as he was at the end of Season 1 when he got his groove back and which followed into season 3.

 

[mikelima777]

I agree, I'm not sure what purpose the fleet synchronization served other than getting our heroes into the D, which they could have still explained as being the closest empty operational ship near Earth.

Putting the Borg aside, allowing all your ships to be remotely controlled with no way to override it just seems like a terrible idea with little upside.

I think the idea of Fleet Synchronization is to allow for ships to maneuver in closer formation at the same speeds. The idea is that for formation flights, you reduce the strain on the helmsmen who won't need to keep firing thrusters and make minute adjustments to avoid a collision. It's completely for show and a clear security risk. Possibly introduced by the Changelings.

 

[Macintosh]

As for where they got live munitions, Space Dock probably has a fully functional defense grid.

In fact if Deep Space 9 is anything to go by it probably has a disproportionately powerful defence grid, since stations can't run away if things get dicey. DS9 itself had something like ten times the armament of the Enterprise-D.

 

[jaime]

Side-note:

So... does this mean that every Starfleet officer under 25 who's on the surface of Earth is also now Borg? Have the Borg simultaneously seized control of Starfleet Headquarters complex? Has their transporter network infiltration extended to the Federation government and civilian commercial transporters? Have the junior staffers in the Federation government also been affected -- are Borgified interns laying siege to the Federation Capitol Building and Presidential Office? Is a sizable percentage of the general civilian population also affected? Is the President in a bunker? Has the Council been attacked? Like, just what is going on down on the surface right now?

It’s established that the Transporter Borging has to be done manually by a replaced Changeling transporter chief.

 

[mikelima777]

So that's why the initial Changeling on the Titan was Foster.

 

[jaime]

'Undercooked' is the right word, I think. A few scenes where someone (Shelby?) explains the rationale behind the networking and how they know there are risks, but they judge it worth it, would work well.

It's just awkward that there are now two totally separate 'collectives', one of people one of ships.

Redundancy I guess. Means even *if* a ship didn’t get the Borged crew, or enough to take control, the ship itself is still out of the fight. And after so many ships and personnel were lost in the preceding three decades, I can see how many would be ‘young’ crews but not all… so you might need that redundancy.