Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

[drt]

We DID work with a novelist (Michael Chabon in S1).

He won a Pulitzer Prize.

He's also won Hugo and Nebula awards.

They probably should have hired him to do something completely new with Star Trek. Even though originally Stewart had zero interest in revisiting TNG, that's what the fans wanted, so anything that wasn't Season 8 was doomed to be complained about on the internet.

Not saying everything works for everyone, but generally speaking I'm more forgiving of plot holes when I'm invested in characters.

Season 3 in a nutshell. I'm an old school TOS guy, so reuniting the TNG crew doesn't have the same impact for me, so I still see a lot of the same issues from S1/2 occuring this season.

I feel we’ve been treading water a somewhat and the plot isn’t really moving forward on anything other than impulse power. Episodes 7 and 8 felt like they should have been condensed into a single, tighter episode.

I felt the same about episodes 7-8 and 2-3-4, there was a lot of redundant farting around in that nebula.

Then oddly enough, episode six feels unnecessarily crammed together, I think it would have worked better expanded into two episodes.

Honestly, they could have destroyed Vadik and the Shrike in the nebula, moved some of the character development beats from a condensed two episode 2-3-4 into a museum/Daystrom two-parter, as well as uncover what they did to Picard, the modified Changeling origin and the Data/Lore stuff in those episodes. This would tighten things considerably, and more importantly an eight episode season would have freed up a bunch of budget. Money that could have been spent to get off of Titan and have some location shooting by making Daystrom a planetside base or something.

Like, I suppose, many actors in long running roles, I feel she’d started simply playing herself

At this point, they all feel like they're playing themselves, which I'm actually ok with. Of all the Trek casts, the TNG crew seems like they get along the best with each other, but that chemistry rarely came through on screen until this season.

Worf’s awkward scene with Deanna was a strange one. I think we’d all tried to erase their strange little season 7 affair from our memories; it was a little jarring for it suddenly to be addressed again after having been flat-out ignored through the movies.

Yeah, their whole affair should have been left in the "running out of ideas towards the end of a series' seventh season" dustbin next to Chakotay/Seven's.

 

[Noname Given]

I love the E and would have liked to see more of her but the D has the history that will mean more I think.

How do you unexplode the main hull and get the now 30+ year old wrecked Saucer section off Veridian III?

 

[Racefuel]

How do you unexplode the main hull and get the now 30+ year old wrecked Saucer section off Veridian III?

Well we know the saucer has already been recovered, but that was established in season 2

 

[Turtletrekker]

How do you unexplode the main hull and get the now 30+ year old wrecked Saucer section off Veridian III?

I don't know how they would do it, but they would need to get it off of the surface Veridian III before the rapidly developing inhabitants of Veridian IV noticed it was there. Prime Directive, and all that.

 

[Iamnotspock]

How do you unexplode the main hull and get the now 30+ year old wrecked Saucer section off Veridian III?

A stardrive from another Galaxy-class and a saucer that Geordi's spent years restoring for the museum.

 

[SJGardner]

If it's a stardrive section from another Galaxy, I really hope it's the Challenger.

 

[Happenstance]

It's really not a massive leap to figure out how we could get the D back, especially if it turned out to be a planned surprise for Frontier Day. Getting a former flagship back out and part of the festivities. The real question is, if we do get the D and the TNG crew man their stations who is gonna pilot? Geordi or could be see the return of a former acting ensign

 

[matthunter]

Is it the saucer that maketh the ship, or the warpy bitz?

If it's the saucer, why? You might as well just grab the bridge module if all you want is the E-D bridge. Ten-Forward's on the holodeck nowadays.

Perhaps Mot's barbershop is integral to the effect?

 

[jaime]

It's really not a massive leap to figure out how we could get the D back, especially if it turned out to be a planned surprise for Frontier Day. Getting a former flagship back out and part of the festivities. The real question is, if we do get the D and the TNG crew man their stations who is gonna pilot? Geordi or could be see the return of a former acting ensign

Sydney. And he will tell her how it used to be his seat. The Titan would be useless as it’s still networked, so they will move the crew wholesale. Unless Seven stays behind to use it as a decoy.

 

[Ruufio]

It's really not a massive leap to figure out how we could get the D back, especially if it turned out to be a planned surprise for Frontier Day. Getting a former flagship back out and part of the festivities. The real question is, if we do get the D and the TNG crew man their stations who is gonna pilot? Geordi or could be see the return of a former acting ensign

Deanna surely.

 

[Racefuel]

Spoiler: Shhhh

The soundtracks last listing is “Where it all
Began”.

Take that as you will

 

[Happenstance]

Deanna surely.

we all know how that will end!

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

A phaser is a phaser is a phaser

But only between Ferengi.

Spoiler: Shhhh

The soundtracks last listing is “Where it all
Began”.

Take that as you will

Spoiler

I'm guessing it refers to Enterprise D rather than Farpoint station.

 

[Racefuel]

That’s the only reasonable conclusion

 

[Ovation]

Mot's barbershop is integral to the effect?

Of course. It’s the mastermind’s HQ.

Wait. What? Nooo. Where are you taki….

 

[jaime]

Like I said, no real difference

Not really. Not when you look at it. These phasers are like red Winona’s and it just doesn’t appeal. A Winona has its place, but so does a cobra head.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The Ep9 teaser preview shows Troi open the door and storm out of the room in fear. So basically they teased a reveal and still don't give it right away which is starting to get funny. They did say that the red tendrils represent connections.















So is Troi planning to go tell Picard & co. what she saw? Will they have her go through a door in the ship and then cut to something else to stall that reveal? What else can they do to push this to the end of the ep and all the way to ep10? Red alert, the ship is hit, Troi is knocked unconscious...















What would make Troi frightened? Borg is obviously a possibility, but is there anything else?

Maybe it's Armus the Skin of Evil that is just getting revenge on Picard. LOL

 

[Dukhat]

The viewing audience doesn’t give two shits about Armus.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Would anyone be disappointed if the Enterprise-E was to turn up rather than the D in the next couple of episodes?

I have no particular affection for either one.
Thought I felt the same about Voyager, but got a little misty when it showed u, so....'

 

[trek.]

Sydney. And he will tell her how it used to be his seat. The Titan would be useless as it’s still networked, so they will move the crew wholesale. Unless Seven stays behind to use it as a decoy.

or seven powers up Voyager for its transphasic torps... just in case jack is a psedoborg