Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek can be so gloriously ridiculous that it could indeed be any explanation and whichever one the producers devised won't make much if any more logical sense than the theories that don't pan out. Whether good or bad Trek guarantees two things: dramatically convenient escapes and half-baked solutions to baffling dilemmas, but we keep coming back for more.

Because the future. And fiction. And it's (usually) fun.

 

[Orac Zen]

I'm glad they nodded to Deanna and Beverly's friendship. I remember how I loved it back in the day, especially as there were few (any?) positive female friendships on tv at the time.

Agreed. Really liked that bit, and the fact that Deanna didn't make any judgements or say "where the hell have you been for 20 years???" was even better. She was just glad to see her friend.

I'm not too concerned about what Jack is.

I'm just a bit fed up with all the buildup. I want it over with, and as others have said it will probably be anticlimactic and / or silly - which will make all the buildup even more annoying.

Other people ask, "What is Jack?" I ask, "When are we going to see the Enterprise-D? When is Janeway going to appear? And how are they going to expose the Changelings?"

I'll add to that "Where is Tuvok? Is he okay?"

We'll see them when we see them.

Don't be so practical about this. How long have you been here? Don't you realise you have to be at least a bit melodramatic about these things??

 

[Campe]

I am more interested in goo face and if we’ll get any other appearances other than Tuvok from other series characters than what ships might appear. Or Jack.

Mystery boxes typically end up being far less interesting than they’re built up to be.

 

[gweeps]

The whole season should finish with them sitting round a campfire singing ‘Row, Row, Row Your Boat’.

And how new Data will laugh.

The End.

Not quite. Benny Russell!

Mystery boxes typically end up being far less interesting than they’re built up to be.

I think I hate them.

 

[Mr Awe]

Star Trek can be so gloriously ridiculous that it could indeed be any explanation and whichever one the producers devised won't make much if any more logical sense than the theories that don't pan out. Whether good or bad Trek guarantees two things: dramatically convenient escapes and half-baked solutions to baffling dilemmas, but we keep coming back for more.

Because the future. And fiction. And it's (usually) fun.

The journey is more important than the destination!

 

[Anduinel]

I'm just a bit fed up with all the buildup. I want it over with, and as others have said it will probably be anticlimactic and / or silly - which will make all the buildup even more annoying.

Exactly. I don't care very much about Jack, but the show keeps insisting, ever more loudly, that I should.

 

[Mr Awe]

Mystery boxes typically end up being far less interesting than they’re built up to be.

I'd like to see what a good novelist could do with a serialized season. Yeah, I know writing a novel is different than writing for TV. Maybe they could work with a novelist? See The Expanse for a brilliant example.

As anyone who has ever read a great novel can attest to, it is possible to write a lengthy story that holds your interest and doesn't disappoint.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't like Jack, and still don't quite. But, after his talk with Picard about not fitting in definitely helped. I think he could work out in the end.

 

[Danja]

I'd like to see what a good novelist could do with a serialized season. Yeah, I know writing a novel is different than writing for TV. Maybe they could work with a novelist? See The Expanse for a brilliant example.

As anyone who has ever read a great novel can attest to, it is possible to write a lengthy story that holds your interest and doesn't disappoint.

We DID work with a novelist (Michael Chabon in S1).

He won a Pulitzer Prize.

 

[Mr Awe]

We DID work with a novelist (Michael Chabon in S1).

He won a Pulitzer Prize.

What do you mean "we"?

But great point about Chabon. I'd complete forgotten that. Well, maybe a different novelist?

 

[TRON JA307020]

We DID work with a novelist (Michael Chabon in S1).

He won a Pulitzer Prize.

His trek is some of the worst ever written.

 

[gweeps]

This series has been a perfect example of too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[Danja]

This series has been a perfect example of too many cooks in the kitchen.

And when it's an auteur like J. J. Abrams, it's "This isn't prime! This isn't REAL Trek! This needs to be de-canonized!"

There's no pleasing some people!

What do you mean "we"?

The franchise.

 

[Ovation]

His trek is some of the worst ever written.

Nah. Haaave you seen Code of Honor? Lights of Zetar? Threshold? (I could go on.)

 

[cooleddie74]

I mean, DSC and PIC have had some stinkers but worst ever written? Ehhhhh. Only if you mean "some of his stories rank among the worst since 2017."

 

[Lord Garth]

The worst episode is "Profit and Lace". It was already bad in 1998. It looks even worse in 2023.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Profit and Lace" was hot garbage all the way back in 1998 and sucks now, "the intended message" notwithstanding.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Profit and Lace" was hot garbage all the way back in 1998 and sucks now, "the intended message" notwithstanding.

I don't quite even know what the intended message was. When Quark was a whole mess of emotions at the end, it looked even more sexist than TOS at its worst. Making it worse even still was that it was made 30 years later. Then there's the added touch that there were some online randos who tried to pass "Profit and Lace" as an early example of representing trans-gendered people. To which I thought, "No! Just no... " As far as I'm concerned, Grey from DSC was the first trans-gendered character on Star Trek.

As bad as "Threshold" was, at least it's inoffensively bad. What "Profit and Lace" did was so much worse.

But, anyway, yeah. Nothing in Picard is as bad as those.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Let He Who Is Without Sin..." is worthless shite but at least it didn't try to say it was representing a minority and disadvantaged group. Some Trek stories are awful because they're lazy and/or stupid but others are offensively lazy and/or stupid or even worse.

 

[Cortez]

She told the whole ship if Jack Crusher didn’t come to the bridge within ten minutes, she was going to kill someone. He also, rather certainly, didn’t have a bomb. He had a bluff.
You watched with your phone in your hand, dunno what to tell you.

I've outlined in detail over the course of two responses why this entire scenario (nevermind her calling Jack up to the bridge) makes literally zero sense and actually severely undermines her credibility as a worthy adversary.

I couldn't careless if it's not a bomb and just a total bluff. He could be coming up with a pizza delivery for all I care. The same issues remain: they had no security posted anywhere. They had no idea who was coming up at all. That's tactical incompetence.