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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

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Of course you can. I question the storytelling necessity of it, and see it as fan service that is a bridge too far in this ridiculous fan service season.

You question the storytelling necessity of including a DS9 cast member in a season using DS9's primary villain...? The crew that spent years fighting the Founders and literally had a Changeling in their crew. There is literally no better plot, outside of a direct DS9 show/film, that could include them and not be out of place or forced than this season.

It makes way more sense, within the established plot, to reach out to Kira/Dax/Bashir/O'Brien/Kai Winn's ghost/Tosk/Q's bruise from Sisko's punch/Eddington's lucky looney than to reach out to Tuvok or Janeway. They literally found a way to include Lore and Ro Laren but a line is crossed when including the people directly connected to fighting the Dominion/Changelings?

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This really reinforces the notion that fan service is a nonsensical concept that is arbitrarily forgiven in some cases and subjectively criticized in others. It's pretty much what people are in the mood to "accept" and in other cases, for whatever reason, see as "a bridge too far".
 
You question the storytelling necessity of including a DS9 cast member in a season using DS9's primary villain...? The crew that spent years fighting the Founders and literally had a Changeling in their crew. There is literally no better plot, outside of a direct DS9 show/film, that could include them and not be out of place or forced than this season.
We already have this in Worf. Thus repetitive and too far in the fan service field which I'm already over with in this season.
 
And I apologise over my initial posts. I really do. Not excusing myself, but I do. I'd lost the plot at that stage (i was about to say like the writers... i can't fecking help myself) but honestly, cheers for the lovely responses.
Then how did you ever get into TNG where the characters barely changed (Data kept getting confused by the same idioms over and over for example) - and the largest character advancement for Jean-Luc Picard was that he was interested in Archeology?
 
Because they’ve been experimented on to not be as malleable. It’s explained several times.

But Vadic doesn't seem to have issues changing shape or creating a spear appendage. Did the show say they were experimented on to not be as malleable (I don't recall them saying this) or to be able to create internal organs and pass scanner tests so they could spy/go on covert missions for S31 (this is what was stated).

The transporter officer changeling on the Titan also had no issue changing shape. And these changelings still have to revert back to their natural state...so can you please tell me the "several times" it was explained that changelings were experimented on "to not be as malleable"
 
Then how did you ever get into TNG where the characters barely changed (Data kept getting confused by the same idioms over and over for example) - and the largest character advancement for Jean-Luc Picard was that he was interested in Archeology?

Because plot and character had a mutual respect for one another. You can't have one without the other. The issue with new material is that it doesn't actually mean anything. Whatever furthers the plot is fine, irrespective of plot or nuance.
 
Then how did you ever get into TNG where the characters barely changed (Data kept getting confused by the same idioms over and over for example) - and the largest character advancement for Jean-Luc Picard was that he was interested in Archeology?
Because characters are to be static. Otherwise how will people recognize them if they change.

In TNG the people were stupid until the plot demanded that they solve it. Some times it worked great and other times less so.
 
Because characters are to be static. Otherwise how will people recognize them if they change.

In TNG the people were stupid until the plot demanded that they solve it. Some times it worked great and other times less so.

It's genuinely nothing to do with being stupid or when the plot demanded it.
Because characters are to be static. Otherwise how will people recognize them if they change.

In TNG the people were stupid until the plot demanded that they solve it. Some times it worked great and other times less so.
I get the stupid thing but they were always fairly sharp. They're idiots now. Serious idiots.
 
Except for kicking Kruge in the head while saying "I have had enough of you!" and sending him falling into actual lava when he probably could have tried to save him and said "fine I'll kill you later" to Maltz...who we never saw again, so maybe he did, even though he said "I lied"

Kirk also *hated* all Klingons for Davids death, to the point where he wanted to see all of them die. Yes, he did have something of a change of heart at the end of the movie, but that was predictable.

Picard also killed the Borg Queen in FC instead of trying to save the remains somehow, basically a coup de gras

I mean, he also tricked the Klingons into beaming aborted the soon to self destruct Enterprise.

Absolute shithouse move but certainly necessary.

So, to Pubert's point - yes he did resort to murder, deceptive murder at that
 
Octopuses. When I was a baby biologist beginning my invertebrate zoology studies my professor informed us: "Octopuses commonly; Octopodes technically; Octopi never." The root is Greek, not Latin. I have to say that to me the nebula lifeforms look quite like cnidarians or ctenophores with eyes, rather than actual octopuses.
And Octopoda for the group of animals
 
Much as I find it horribly pretentious and can't resist thinking that it's *wrong*, 'octopi' has entered the English language as one of the standard plurals. I feel dirty saying that, but it's true.
 
Much as I find it horribly pretentious and can't resist thinking that it's *wrong*, 'octopi' has entered the English language as one of the standard plurals. I feel dirty saying that, but it's true.

What do you call a bunch of octopus pies?

"Mmmmmmmm... Pie."
 
What was with the uniform change with Shaw? I understand later on when they execute the plan but it was odd he was wearing that jacket before hand. I know Picard had a variant uniform but it was similar enough to the original. This seems very different.
 
What was with the uniform change with Shaw? I understand later on when they execute the plan but it was odd he was wearing that jacket before hand. I know Picard had a variant uniform but it was similar enough to the original. This seems very different.
It's like BYOU this season.........so many
 
What was with the uniform change with Shaw? I understand later on when they execute the plan but it was odd he was wearing that jacket before hand. I know Picard had a variant uniform but it was similar enough to the original. This seems very different.

Possibly just as a way to indicate that time had passed since the last episode? It was said on Twitter (possibly by Matalas, if I recall) that a few days had passed between episodes 6 and 7, and clearly Shaw and Seven had a change of clothes over those few days. Not sure (in universe) why they chose the field jackets though and not just a clean duty uniform though.
 
Possibly just as a way to indicate that time had passed since the last episode? It was said on Twitter (possibly by Matalas, if I recall) that a few days had passed between episodes 6 and 7, and clearly Shaw and Seven had a change of clothes over those few days. Not sure (in universe) why they chose the field jackets though and not just a clean duty uniform though.

I thought it was also partly to indicate that they had gone rogue, made for a nice contrast with eg LaForge who still seems a bit dubious about the whole thing. Like the black uniforms in Babylon 5? Very disappointed with how much they seem to be phasing out Shaw; maybe they underestimated how popular his character would be?
 
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