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Worf's such a bad father that Sarek won't return his calls for advice.
If nobody's going to sign anything can I at least get my Subway card punched so I can get my free 6-inch sub, bag of chips and medium soda?
Sigh. Fine. Give it here.
That's my jam right there.
Now, about my card to get free jam...
Now, about my card to get free jam...
I feel that way about the TOS crew nowadays when I watch the show - which I still do, because I love it better than anything since.
But I find the SNW crew more plausible and attractive as people in many ways. Certainly SNW Uhura, and Chapel, and including SNW Spock.
TOS is one of the greatest television series ever created by anybody and anywhere in the world. But those officers wouldn't last terribly long in, say, the real life U.S. Navy chain of command. Not without a lot of reprimands for inappropriate behavior.
The ship’s doctor was openly racist to the XO, McCoy wouldn’t last long in real life.
And McCoy was still a prejudiced grump all the way up to age 137. 71 years after he last served with Jim Kirk and Spock he was still making disparaging remarks about Vulcans because, well, fortysomething grouch becomes far grouchier man approaching 140.
They are both forms of commercial art. “Artistic licence” is a real thing.
And it's tolerable to differing amounts in different mediums.
Indeed. And expected to have differences in an entertainment medium.
I use a bass to clean my floors. This is the modern age, you know. 
Depends on the individual. Clearly we each have different thresholds. But ultimately, it’s up to the creators to do what they want (totally within their rights, though it doesn’t come with a guarantee of success) and for the audience to decide if it likes the results (with no right of satisfaction).
The Klingons in Season 1 of DSC annoyed me. The Ferengi in Season 4 not so much. Even within the same series the creative choices can be all over the map.
Spock knows what he did.
Again it worked well enough for a substantial portion of the fanbase at least until ENT, and ENT lasted long enough to fix many of the initial complaints. It's not just a few people on a BBS that take issue... Doug Drexler has brought it up several times, and even Terry Matalas talked about meeting Akiva Goldsman for PICARD season 2 and asking what might be set in an alternate universe.
That SNW and DISCOVERY are somehow equivalent to TOS in terms of continuity is the current party line. But this need not always be the case. DISCOVERY blinked and folded on their reinterpreted Klingons. PICARD season 3 showed a TOS-era Constitution class ship, and of course had Worf looking like Worf.
TPTB gambled that they would gain more new fans with the changes than lose existing fans. How this ultimately plays out is still unknown. But if enough people go against it, then TOS might stay in visual continuity and DISCOVERY/SNW/SFA+ canonically shifted over it its own alt universe sandbox. At the very least, try and please all segments of the fanbase with LEGACY.
For example, the Daystrom Reddit outright bans people for suggesting an in-universe explanation for DISCOVERY and SNW being ahem so different to everything else is a multiverse. And r/startrek of course heavily policed comments about the implications of the USS New Jersey.
My amount of objections to SNW would drop down if it clarified its place in continuity. It's already more than a visual reboot. Yes, TOS is "dated"... but "Relics" and "Trials and Tribble-ations" etc did a great job addressing this in universe. I buy the argument that Michael Okuda makes that Star Trek is very much a period piece. And ultimately SNW will never measure up to the awesome Pike era Marvel comic series Early Voyages, so maybe I'm too biased on that front anyway...
It's Star Trek. The canon/continuity debate is never over
But, since this keeps drifting away from SFA, I think I'll let this one go after this. Well, it will be "set in the DISCOVERY timeline"...
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