Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

[Guy Gardener]

The Bounty can't be a super old by 23rd century standards.

It was capable of doing close to Warp 10 in the slingshot maneuver. Some old rust bucket probably wouldn't be able to do that.

Also, Kruge's shup in its original form in the script was supposed to be a Romulan ship when the villains were originally Romulan, then shifted to be a ship that Kruge stole from the Romulans, and eventually the Romulan connection was dropped.

The Statue of liberty was brown to begin with, and so was that little ship.

Enterprise 1701 couldn't get past warp 8 normally. Unusual things constantly changed that limit.

 

[Nerys Myk]

General Whorm Loathsom wasn't a droid.

Is that an actual Star Wars name? Because it sounds like an actual Star Wars name.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Well, from the cartoons, but yeah.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I take he's not a good guy?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I take he's not a good guy?

Seperatist in the Clone Wars.

He thinks he's a good guy?

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

As far as the separatists go, he's fairly reasonable.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So not a total loathsome worm?

 

[cooleddie74]

So loathsome even his action figure pegwarmed.

 

[SJGardner]

Star Wars be like: Crepphe Ebooser surely must be a great guy. I don't understand why the Jedi don't trust him.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sum-Badd Jaq'ass can't be a villain?

Can he?

 

[SJGardner]

To be fair, my entire ability to take any name in Star Wars seriouly disappeared without a trace when George decided to name the style the Cantina Band played in "Jizz."

 

[cooleddie74]

The death stick dealer in AOTC was named Elan Sleazebaggano.

 

[Racefuel]

The death stick dealer in AOTC was named Elan Sleazebaggano.

At least we never heard his name on screen

 

[The Rock]

since you brought up descent, he believed in what he was doing there, believed he was helping the drones. As I said, deranged, but not inherently evil.

Even then, I don't think he truly cared about those drones. I have no doubt whatsoever that once they were no longer useful to him or if they started to question his leadership he'd have no problem disposing them. They are just pawns to him.

 

[Noname Given]

"On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the Demilitarised Zone all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people. Angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive whether it meets with Federation approval or not."
– Benjamin Sisko, DS9: "The Maquis, Part II"

"Let me tell you something about hew-mons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."
– Quark, DS9: "The Siege of AR-558"

Federation propaganda.

 

[fireproof78]

Sum-Badd Jaq'ass can't be a villain?

Can he?

Appropriate SF DEBRIS joke:
"You'll be meeting with out chief negotiator, Lord Tyranus."

*in an old lady style voice* "Oh he sounds like a nice young man. "

 

[Romulan_spy]

It wasn't even in TNG. The utopia tended to only exist within the confines of the Enterprise. Outside of it, there were conspiracies, cover-ups, murderous captains, an endless series of "Badmirals", forced relocations of civilians...

I think when Trek describes the Federation as a utopia, it is speaking in terms of materialism, not necessarily that all beings are perfect. Earth in Trek abolished wars, poverty and disease and natural disasters. So in many ways, Trek Earth is a utopia compared to our real world. And I think we can assume that there are many core Federation worlds that are technologically developed that would also be materialistic utopias. The fact is that you can eliminate poverty with advanced tech and still have bad people. In fact, a key philosophical idea is that technology does not automatically solve human nature, it simply gives us better tools to solve problems.

 

[SJGardner]

Appropriate SF DEBRIS joke:
"You'll be meeting with out chief negotiator, Lord Tyranus."

*in an old lady style voice* "Oh he sounds like a nice young man. "

Shadow and Bone renamed the main villain to "General Kirigan" because they found it weird he openly called himself The Darkling in the original books while leading the heroic wizard army while wearing exclusively black robes and using shadow magic, yet everyone was surprised when he turned out to have been the evil 400-year-old mass-murdering sorcerer who created the strip of liquid shadow filled with unkillable monsters that bisected the country in the first place, and promptly proceeded to assassinate the royal family and set on to conquer the world.

 

[TRON JA307020]

So in Star Wars Luke nearly murdered his nephew and in star trek picard nearly executes a imprisoned alien. So cliché now.

 

[The Old Mixer]

At this point the examples and "evidences" you're showing are just so disjointed and nonsensical that I'm not even sure you know the point you're trying to make

That's been Guy's thing for...good god, 23 years?