Have you, er... seen 8...?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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Have you, er... seen 8...?
Of cource not. But it's obvious that the story of Vadic's takeover will be concluded next week. Episode 8 is the end of the second act. 9 and 10 are supposed to be the big finale.
Watching 2 episodes a day would also improve the experience I guess. I understand the impatience. It took five weeks to finally see all TNG characters introduced. I personally prefer binge-watching mystery box stories.
Yeah, I have two kids under the age of five. I watch the show at 4am not because I want to but because it’s really the only time I have for me. Stringing two hours at a time is possible but not likely. Ten? Impossible.
Will you introduce your kids to Trek at some point? :-)
I'm guessing that Sarek left a little of his Katra in Picard, and that's what's been passed on. And maybe a little Pa'nar Syndrome, too.
So Jack's got emerging telepathic abilities, and he has other superhuman traits as seen prior. My thinking that he's a Species 8472 sleeper agent might be coming true! Might also explain Vadic's 'handler' as well. 
Likely, yeah. But at the same time, I’m not going to force it on to them. If they’re not interested, that’s fine by me. When my oldest (he turns 4 next month) gets to be 6 or 7, I’m going to start him off with Prodigy. It’s a nice intro for anyone I think, particularly kids.
Saved me a plug!
I introduced my two girls to Prodigy last year. The eldest, who is 8, really enjoyed it, and really got it, and understood it. The youngest, who is 5, enjoyed the fun characters, but didn't get as much out of it as the eldest. I would have waited until she was older except for the fact the eldest really wanted to watch it.
I was surprised how good it was. If there was any “in” for Trek that I’d have no problem watching again, it’s that show.
That’s good to know! Glad I’m not introducing it to him anytime soon.
I actually really like this episode and im liking that the DS9 is finally getting some fallow up. However what really bothers me is that no one (besides Worf) involved in the war at the time is actually on the show. The fact that this is about Picard and Crusher is just off because they really dont have any connection to the war infact most of the cast dont. Did nobody from DS9 want to come back or just did no one care asking?
I am thinking that the Syndrome Picard was diagnosed with, was a Borg virus implanted during BoBW, and that's it's like a Trojan horse of some sorts, it just looks like a virus. I think the voice saying 'Find Me' is actually the Borg Queen, which was used in subtitles at one time I think, before being quickly deleted. I think Jack is some sort of human/Borg hybrid, and that the Borg and the Dominion have somehow formed an alliance of sorts... In episode 9 and 10, James T Kirk will be brought back to life, Sisko will return, as will Janeway, and there will be this massive encounter involving all these previous Captains.
I said it first...
I said it first...
I was mostly captivated by this episode, until the ending.
While acknowledging that we don't know what episode 8 will bring, I just sighed thinking to myself that now they're going to have to spend an episode extricating Riker/Troi and now the Titan from danger instead of moving onto the last Act.
While acknowledging that we don't know what episode 8 will bring, I just sighed thinking to myself that now they're going to have to spend an episode extricating Riker/Troi and now the Titan from danger instead of moving onto the last Act.
Interesting. I don’t necessarily have a lot of sympathy for Vadik or the Changelings here or their desire to watch the universe burn. Neither side has clean hands. Both sides appear to be willing to use torture and to commit genocide. Jean-Luc Picard and Beverly Crusher were prepared to kill Vadik after hearing her story if it meant protecting Jack. Geordi is willing to erase Lore if it is possible and to protect his children. Will and Deanna apparently managed to hold out for the time being, which just means Vadik doesn’t have Kestra. Even those who aren’t parents likely have someone or some thing they will kill for. I doubt I’d take the high road either in their situation, not if it meant survival. Given that this is Trek, they will probably come to understand one another and come to a peaceable resolution, but I’m not sure how realistic that is.
I am curious about where they’re going with Jack. Vadik knows something about him and seems to want him to join the Link. Is she the one who’s been calling to him and sending him visions and how could he have gotten mixed up with the renegade Changelings? There’s a missing puzzle piece or chapter here somewhere. Genetic engineering? Beverly was Picard’s physician, with full knowledge of his medical record and that what he had was genetic. How could she not have known before now that her son had it too? Jack appears telepathic and to have cyborg reflexes when they are triggered, probably inherited from Picard, though I wouldn’t have thought Borg nanites would be in his sperm or could be inherited by a fetus? Some genetic alteration to Picard and Beverly by the Ba’ku? Some transformation of Picard by his mind meld with Sarek that also somehow altered his genes? Jack says he’s always felt different, so this is apparently something he was born with and/or something that came about from an alien encounter or medical procedure he was too young to remember.
I am curious about where they’re going with Jack. Vadik knows something about him and seems to want him to join the Link. Is she the one who’s been calling to him and sending him visions and how could he have gotten mixed up with the renegade Changelings? There’s a missing puzzle piece or chapter here somewhere. Genetic engineering? Beverly was Picard’s physician, with full knowledge of his medical record and that what he had was genetic. How could she not have known before now that her son had it too? Jack appears telepathic and to have cyborg reflexes when they are triggered, probably inherited from Picard, though I wouldn’t have thought Borg nanites would be in his sperm or could be inherited by a fetus? Some genetic alteration to Picard and Beverly by the Ba’ku? Some transformation of Picard by his mind meld with Sarek that also somehow altered his genes? Jack says he’s always felt different, so this is apparently something he was born with and/or something that came about from an alien encounter or medical procedure he was too young to remember.
There are two ships in star trek, the Enterprise and the Narada.
I am thinking that the Syndrome Picard was diagnosed with, was a Borg virus implanted during BoBW, and that's it's like a Trojan horse of some sorts, it just looks like a virus. I think the voice saying 'Find Me' is actually the Borg Queen, which was used in subtitles at one time I think, before being quickly deleted. I think Jack is some sort of human/Borg hybrid, and that the Borg and the Dominion have somehow formed an alliance of sorts... In episode 9 and 10, James T Kirk will be brought back to life, Sisko will return, as will Janeway, and there will be this massive encounter involving all these previous Captains.
I said it first...
I hope there isn't a Borg-Dominion alliance.
It smells too much of "Palpatine survived, somehow" to me
So... should we expect appearances by Dan Stevens and Aubrey Plaza in the finale?
While it wasn't an episode without flaws, I felt it was a big step up from the nostalgia-fest last week.
There were lots of good elements this week. The episode was well shot and directed, with a tense feel and great action choreography. Amanda Plummer was finally given something of weight to do as Vadic, and she brought it home nicely. Giving us her backstory and motivation helped to provide continued forward movement for the story, as this episode had few reveals beyond this. I think the decision to not cut to either Worf/Raffi or Riker/Troi was a good one, as the tension would have been hurt too much by an A/B/C plot structure here.
That said, there were a lot of things which didn't work well for me. The most important of these was whatever was going on with Data/Lore and LaForge. Yes, I like seeing Spiner mug the camera, and the one Geordi monologue where he tells Data what he meant to him was poignant. But even if Lore is slowly taking over ship's system, the android body was essentially stationary the entire time, which gave the scenes very little dynamism when compared to the cat and mouse that Jack, Sidney, and the rest of the Titan crew were having with the Changeling mooks. Not to mention that ultimately "Lore" ends up nothing other than a 5-10 minute speedbump in the story (though presumably he will amount to more later in the season).
I also felt like the dialogue this week was once again too stilted and expositional. Characters (with a few exceptions, like Vadic) said what was needed to be said in order to move the plot forward, rather than things which were rooted in who they were as people. This is a long-running Trek issue however, not something unique to this season, or even Kurtzman Trek (it's difficult to even determine what personality Beverly had back on TNG, for example).
Put me in the camp that isn't really upset they keep stringing us along regarding what the hell is wrong with Jack/why he's so special. The season is revealing enough ancillary stuff that nothing feels like true wheel spinning. And even with Jack himself, there are important things this episode revealed. It's clearly not anything directly to do with Changelings - Vadic basically admitted that she's been sent to capture him by another (skull head dude, whoever he is) and the scene near the beginning with the two of them talking made it clear he isn't a Changeling.
I don't know what to make of Jack now having telepathy...doesn't seem to fit with the hypothesis that he's a small part Borg, and has been hearing the Collective. Someone could I'm sure do a deep dive through TNG one-off adventures and find something that happened that could have influenced Picard's DNA so profoundly.
There were lots of good elements this week. The episode was well shot and directed, with a tense feel and great action choreography. Amanda Plummer was finally given something of weight to do as Vadic, and she brought it home nicely. Giving us her backstory and motivation helped to provide continued forward movement for the story, as this episode had few reveals beyond this. I think the decision to not cut to either Worf/Raffi or Riker/Troi was a good one, as the tension would have been hurt too much by an A/B/C plot structure here.
That said, there were a lot of things which didn't work well for me. The most important of these was whatever was going on with Data/Lore and LaForge. Yes, I like seeing Spiner mug the camera, and the one Geordi monologue where he tells Data what he meant to him was poignant. But even if Lore is slowly taking over ship's system, the android body was essentially stationary the entire time, which gave the scenes very little dynamism when compared to the cat and mouse that Jack, Sidney, and the rest of the Titan crew were having with the Changeling mooks. Not to mention that ultimately "Lore" ends up nothing other than a 5-10 minute speedbump in the story (though presumably he will amount to more later in the season).
I also felt like the dialogue this week was once again too stilted and expositional. Characters (with a few exceptions, like Vadic) said what was needed to be said in order to move the plot forward, rather than things which were rooted in who they were as people. This is a long-running Trek issue however, not something unique to this season, or even Kurtzman Trek (it's difficult to even determine what personality Beverly had back on TNG, for example).
Put me in the camp that isn't really upset they keep stringing us along regarding what the hell is wrong with Jack/why he's so special. The season is revealing enough ancillary stuff that nothing feels like true wheel spinning. And even with Jack himself, there are important things this episode revealed. It's clearly not anything directly to do with Changelings - Vadic basically admitted that she's been sent to capture him by another (skull head dude, whoever he is) and the scene near the beginning with the two of them talking made it clear he isn't a Changeling.
I don't know what to make of Jack now having telepathy...doesn't seem to fit with the hypothesis that he's a small part Borg, and has been hearing the Collective. Someone could I'm sure do a deep dive through TNG one-off adventures and find something that happened that could have influenced Picard's DNA so profoundly.
