Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[Mr Awe]

If you want something new, then a show designed to revisit one of the most popular legacy characters is a weird place to look.

It's almost like if you want something with less Star Trek, you might watch something that's not Star Trek. And you can have your cake and eat it too. Some ST, some non-ST.

I hardly watch any TV at all. But even I have a nice mix. ST plus say Doctor Who, The Expanse or New BSG, etc.

 

[El Maestro]

You fan your way, I'll fan mine.

Except there’s a contingent here that seems to suggest that the “fan service” is substandard and ruining the show, and keep mentioning it when others who do not feel that way are enjoying it, often dismissively and judgmentally. Like people are Trekking wrong.

I have been a member of this board since before (edit: Two weeks after) 9/11 and I have never done that to anyone, even when ENT was not exactly lighting it up in its first few seasons and yet some loved it.

 

[fireproof78]

Except there’s a contingent here that seems to suggest that the “fan service” is substandard and ruining the show, and keep mentioning it when others who do not feel that way are enjoying it, often dismissively and judgmentally. Like people are Trekking wrong.

I have been a member of this board since before (edit: Two weeks after) 9/11 and I have never done that to anyone, even when ENT was not exactly lighting it up in its first few seasons and yet some loved it.

That has been my Trek experience. I've been wrong since I was 8.

I guess I'll be wrong again. Par for the course.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek to me is about the themes and characters. Not how many call backs can be dropped in an episode.

 

[Lord Garth]

Production team tries to chart a new direction and update the visuals, sets, and general aesthetics....

Star Trek fans: THIS DOESN'T MATCH WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE!!!

Production team tries to meticulously connect the story to previous events, settings, and characters....

Star Trek fans: THEY'RE USING TOO MUCH OLD NOSTALGIA!

I mean they can't win for losing with this stuff lol!

The Hell with them is my opinion. They're actively looking for ways to get faux-upset. The last several pages have made for some ridiculous reading.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except there’s a contingent here that seems to suggest that the “fan service” is substandard

It's far from substandard. Quite the opposite.

 

[Cr0sis21]

You can do both.

Its like deciding how much salsa you need on one chip. Everyone heads a different idea about what's best.

 

[El Maestro]

Star Trek to me is about the themes and characters. Not how many call backs can be dropped in an episode.

Look I’m trying to talk in good faith here but you cannot expect me to believe that ep 3x06 was thematically barren with no character development.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I hate salsa. (True story)

 

[fireproof78]

I hate salsa. (True story)

I use to. I usually only have it at a Mexican restaurant.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Look I’m trying to talk in good faith here but you cannot expect me to believe that ep 3x06 was thematically barren with no character development.

I never said it was. In fact I just finished rewatching it a few minutes ago. Good stuff between Jack and Jean-Luc. Fun back and forth between Riker and Worf. Geordi realizing he was an overprotective father. All nice character work.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The only "fan service" (uhg) in season 3 so far that I thought was unnecessary or gratuitous was the inclusion of the Moriarty hologram.

 

[El Maestro]

The only "fan service" (uhg) in season 3 so far that I thought was unnecessary or gratuitous was the inclusion of the Moriarty hologram.

You know what? Yep, that was gratuitous. But harmless!

 

[fireproof78]

I never said it was. In fact I just finished rewatching it a few minutes ago. Good stuff between Jack and Jean-Luc. Fun back and forth between Riker and Worf. Geordi realizing he was an overprotective father. All nice character work.

Indeed. Excellent use of characters acknowledging and celebrating their differences and similarities. I smiled broadly when the fathers hollered for their kids. Good momment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know what? Yep, that was gratuitous. But harmless!

One of the bread crumbs to DataLoreB4Lal.

 

[Citiprime]

The only "fan service" (uhg) in season 3 so far that I thought was unnecessary or gratuitous was the inclusion of the Moriarty hologram.

Although, it is justified in-story. The entire "defense" of the station is a piece of Data inside the system trying to signal help from Riker and let him know that he's in there.

 

[Mr Awe]

Its like deciding how much salsa you need on one chip. Everyone heads a different idea about what's best.

Chips are just the delivery system for the salsa!

 

[donners22]

Too much Star Trek in your Star Trek

Too much effort to call back to past Star Trek to the point that it distracted from a story which was hereto interesting - it felt like the story was servicing the callbacks, rather than the other way around.

References and links as part of a story are fine, and past episodes/seasons have had plenty which I've not been bothered by, but they took over this episode.

 

[El Maestro]

I never said it was. In fact I just finished rewatching it a few minutes ago. Good stuff between Jack and Jean-Luc. Fun back and forth between Riker and Worf. Geordi realizing he was an overprotective father. All nice character work.

We agree! But all or at least most of that character work is dependent upon the characters’ positions as preexisting in the canon. You could tell similar stories with new people but it resonates more with the audience because we “know” them.

 

[fireproof78]

it felt like the story was servicing the callbacks, rather than the other way around.

Indeed and it's what people are talking about. It's dominating the conversation, aside from the usual criticism of tech being wrong, or the villain being stupid.