So we are two years ahead of "real" time. If we are counting forwards from the last stardates given on Voyager, we should only have stardate 76*** by now.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"
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So we are two years ahead of "real" time. If we are counting forwards from the last stardates given on Voyager, we should only have stardate 76*** by now.
Sisko's primary Wolf 359 trauma was losing his wife. For three years, he never really came to terms with it and kept holding onto the memory. It wasn't until his encounter with the Wormwhole aliens/Prophets that he was finally able to move on, and eventually see Picard rather than Locutus.
Shaw's Wolf 359 trauma is survivor's guilt and is something that still lingers, and although time has diminished it considerably, under the right (or maybe wrong) circumstances, it can come roaring back.
The context and dialogue here is so much more watchable than Discovery.
"We've been here before Will, if this is the end.. let's face it together. Doing what we know we do best."
Professionals till the end. 10/10
I just had a crazy idea ... what if the floating head is some kind of Changeling being possessed by the Pah Wraiths? Calling it now, we'll be getting a cameo by Gul Dukat himself!
I think we have 2400 now (77...). 1993 was 2370, 2003 was 2380...
But the season completed production last year...so yeah...roughly 2 years ahead.
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Voyagers last season started in late 2000 with stardate 541** ... wich makes stardate 781** late 2024.
Indeed. They jumped a little bit forward in Picard Season 1, so the dates are no longer in sync with our actual dates.
Nice mention of Farpoint and then BAM! Space jellyfish.
Disclaimer: I really didn't know anything, but for wild speculation, it was pretty good. They may or may not be the exact same species, but I think these were all newborns.
Getting out of the nebula, obviously reminiscent of Picard piloting the Enterprise out of the asteroid field in Booby Trap, so a nice callback there.
Shaw has similar motivation to hate Picard as Sisko did.
Disclaimer: I really didn't know anything, but for wild speculation, it was pretty good. They may or may not be the exact same species, but I think these were all newborns.
Getting out of the nebula, obviously reminiscent of Picard piloting the Enterprise out of the asteroid field in Booby Trap, so a nice callback there.
Shaw has similar motivation to hate Picard as Sisko did.
Vadic did the chair spin!
If Grogu and Cthulhu had a child...
If Grogu and Cthulhu had a child...
This episode gave all the feels of a classic No win -> technobabble BS solution that is basically perfect Trek. Not so sure about the ending tease, but overall it was great.
I am a little surprised / let down by no Worf. But really this is the best episode of serial Trek since DS9 for me.
I am a little surprised / let down by no Worf. But really this is the best episode of serial Trek since DS9 for me.
I suspect the wine bottles are an error - in Season 2, Episode 4, when Rios is in ICE jail, he specifically says that he's from the year 2400.
So Season 2 is late summer 2400 and Season 3 is spring 2401, it seems.
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Indead. And Season 1 must have taken place in early 2399, roughly 1,5 years before Season 2.
The Changeling was counting on its Kal-toh decoy to delay Commander Seven...
...forgetting she could solve it in two moves...
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I'm so very glad we are out of the nebula now. This was a very solid episode, we learned some things, the story moved (though not by much), and we got some very nice character moments and some much-needed Jack/Picard interaction. They even had Jack ask the question that was on my mind about his name. And I like how they tied Picard's flashback to his history with Jack as well as it being a teachable moment (which I was assuming it was only going to be). Nice mention of the Hirogen but it had me scratching my head about when that could've happened. I couldn't remember if Worf was a Lt. Commander or Commander by the time of Nemesis. I did like the tidbit though because it does open the door for a novel or comic to flesh out that story (as well as grist for fan fiction).
I liked how Seven got a dig in on Shaw (also a nice way to bring back the conversation between Seven and La Forge), and how we got Shaw's backstory, which wasn't a surprise, but well-acted. What I don't get is why Shaw didn't immediately take back command. He's not that incapacitated. He's injured, on meds, but he seems to not be out of his mind. It makes little sense, outside of storyline dictates, that he was chilling in his quarters, while leaving his ship and crew in the hands of two "legends" he doesn't trust.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Changeling effects here. They look too frothy, like root beer. Also, it doesn't seem that they ash or dissolve all the way either now. I also thought it was too convenient that the Changeling would have a pot just like Odo's, or that the Changeling would happen to be walking by while Seven is loudly shouting orders to the computer while walking down the hall, or why the Changeling was even on the Titan presumably before Riker and Picard got there. Maybe if it winds up being the guy that was eavesdropping on them in Ten Forward it makes more sense than him just being on the Titan for the story's sake.
I'm glad we got to learn a little more about Vadic. The actress does make for a good Changeling. Hopefully whatever tie the Changelings have to Jack won't be a letdown after all this build up. I'm also hoping we learn more about the mysterious species helping Vadic. I'm guessing they are Breen, but hopefully we'll get a definitive answer.
I liked how Seven got a dig in on Shaw (also a nice way to bring back the conversation between Seven and La Forge), and how we got Shaw's backstory, which wasn't a surprise, but well-acted. What I don't get is why Shaw didn't immediately take back command. He's not that incapacitated. He's injured, on meds, but he seems to not be out of his mind. It makes little sense, outside of storyline dictates, that he was chilling in his quarters, while leaving his ship and crew in the hands of two "legends" he doesn't trust.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Changeling effects here. They look too frothy, like root beer. Also, it doesn't seem that they ash or dissolve all the way either now. I also thought it was too convenient that the Changeling would have a pot just like Odo's, or that the Changeling would happen to be walking by while Seven is loudly shouting orders to the computer while walking down the hall, or why the Changeling was even on the Titan presumably before Riker and Picard got there. Maybe if it winds up being the guy that was eavesdropping on them in Ten Forward it makes more sense than him just being on the Titan for the story's sake.
I'm glad we got to learn a little more about Vadic. The actress does make for a good Changeling. Hopefully whatever tie the Changelings have to Jack won't be a letdown after all this build up. I'm also hoping we learn more about the mysterious species helping Vadic. I'm guessing they are Breen, but hopefully we'll get a definitive answer.
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I'm not sure Vadic is actually a changeling but someone somehow attached to one.. There's something weird about this. DS9 implied that having a bucket was strictly an Odo thing, and that the founders didn't do it when regenerating, let alone one that looks like the one Odo used as mentioned above.
I'm wondering if the frothy goo might be a clue to who they are, like the color difference in the light form of the prophets and pah-wraiths we saw on DS9. Or maybe the writers are just lazy. Perhaps both.
Surely there are founders/changelings who might have broke away from the Great Link long before Odo showed up. Maybe those who didn't agree with Odo went off to join those changelings out there... I dunno.
As for Riker's conversation with Deanna, at first it looked like Lwaxana...
I'm wondering if the frothy goo might be a clue to who they are, like the color difference in the light form of the prophets and pah-wraiths we saw on DS9. Or maybe the writers are just lazy. Perhaps both.
Surely there are founders/changelings who might have broke away from the Great Link long before Odo showed up. Maybe those who didn't agree with Odo went off to join those changelings out there... I dunno.
As for Riker's conversation with Deanna, at first it looked like Lwaxana...
A solid episode - the best yet this season, and providing a clear closure to Act 1.
This is easily the most "TNG" episode of Picard yet. Structurally speaking, it's very reminiscent, with the entire supporting cast working cooperatively to figure out a solution to a...well...a no-win scenario with a healthy dose of technobabble (which Bev even gets to deliver). I also appreciated the episode managed to end on something of an upbeat note, reminding us there is still hope, not only for the broader crisis, but for the characters and their personal relationships.
The focus on character here was well-executed as well. Picard and Riker both had notable forward movement of their arcs. IMHO the reason for Shaw's resentment for Picard was telegraphed from a mile away, but at least it was well executed. I do have my wonders how a man like that would ever be allowed close to command, but I guess if they gave Sisko a command with even deeper trauma from Wolf 359, it's just something Starfleet does.
At first it did seem a bit odd to me how much this episode kept telling us about past adventures (Picard vs the Hirogen, Picard and O.G. Jack Crusher's antics, Shaw's trauma) rather than actually showing us via flashbacks, but I came to understand this was because none of these stories was about the story being told, but the subtext within the story - the emotional content. Plus, this was intended as a budget-saving bottle episode, so I was fine with it.
People are bitching about the swearing in this episode but...I honestly didn't notice it. I did think Seven referring to marijuana as pot was eye-rolling though. Terry Matalas is only four years older than I am - he should be aware that pot isn't even really used as slang for it any longer - everyone calls it weed now. It makes the line seem instantaneously dated. Yeah, I know the "joke" wouldn't work otherwise, but it wasn't funny anyway.
I do still feel like - as with every episode this season - it would have been slightly better if they let a scriptwriter do a final edit, but even the dialogue gripes are way less here for me than the first three.
Not an all-time classic - not the best of the best - but nearly as good of an hour of trek as you could possibly ask for.
This is easily the most "TNG" episode of Picard yet. Structurally speaking, it's very reminiscent, with the entire supporting cast working cooperatively to figure out a solution to a...well...a no-win scenario with a healthy dose of technobabble (which Bev even gets to deliver). I also appreciated the episode managed to end on something of an upbeat note, reminding us there is still hope, not only for the broader crisis, but for the characters and their personal relationships.
The focus on character here was well-executed as well. Picard and Riker both had notable forward movement of their arcs. IMHO the reason for Shaw's resentment for Picard was telegraphed from a mile away, but at least it was well executed. I do have my wonders how a man like that would ever be allowed close to command, but I guess if they gave Sisko a command with even deeper trauma from Wolf 359, it's just something Starfleet does.
At first it did seem a bit odd to me how much this episode kept telling us about past adventures (Picard vs the Hirogen, Picard and O.G. Jack Crusher's antics, Shaw's trauma) rather than actually showing us via flashbacks, but I came to understand this was because none of these stories was about the story being told, but the subtext within the story - the emotional content. Plus, this was intended as a budget-saving bottle episode, so I was fine with it.
People are bitching about the swearing in this episode but...I honestly didn't notice it. I did think Seven referring to marijuana as pot was eye-rolling though. Terry Matalas is only four years older than I am - he should be aware that pot isn't even really used as slang for it any longer - everyone calls it weed now. It makes the line seem instantaneously dated. Yeah, I know the "joke" wouldn't work otherwise, but it wasn't funny anyway.
I do still feel like - as with every episode this season - it would have been slightly better if they let a scriptwriter do a final edit, but even the dialogue gripes are way less here for me than the first three.
Not an all-time classic - not the best of the best - but nearly as good of an hour of trek as you could possibly ask for.
It was a show for Picard. I think Riker is one of those guys who really hate to talk about their true feelings.
I agree. I don't think Vadic is a changeling. She just has a changeling attached to her arm. My take is that these rogue changelings are forcing Vadic to work for them. They cut off her hand and attached a changeling to her arm as her hand. That is why we Vadic cut off the changeling-hand so that it can a form of a face to communicate with her and then it reattaches to her arm. It might explain why Terry Matalas said that we would be more sympathetic to Vadic when we learn more about her. She might have been some helpless person who was enslaved by the Dominion and forced to work for these changelings. And cutting off her hand so that a changeling can attach itself to her is pretty gruesome. Imagine being enslaved and having to mutilate yourself and have these entities attached to you. Yikes.
Maybe the changelings learned this idea from Odo after he joined the Great Link. It is certainly a quick and convenient way to regenerate when you are on a mission, a long way from the Great Link.
I wonder if the frothy goo might be the result of the S31 pathogen that almost killed the Founders. We know DS9 found a cure but maybe the cure was not perfect and it still changed them, hence the different appearance. This might also explain why they want revenge as S31 did not just try to commit genocide but they were forced to sue for peace and the "cure" left them altered and weakened. It makes perfect sense to me that some the changelings would have disagreed with Odo and broken off from the Great Link to pursue a more belligerent strategy.
Look...
I'm in a little trouble, I'm not sure why, but it's weird, I'm being stalked.
I'm super wigged out.
Jack Crusher has snuck out of Picard and squeaked into a different show I am watching.
"You."
I mean, there are coincidences, and then there's reason to be afraid for you life.
I'm in a little trouble, I'm not sure why, but it's weird, I'm being stalked.
I'm super wigged out.
Jack Crusher has snuck out of Picard and squeaked into a different show I am watching.
"You."
I mean, there are coincidences, and then there's reason to be afraid for you life.
