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Has this ever been addressed on any of the modern Trek shows?

Didn't they only decide that the holodeck runs on a different, somehow incompatible, power supply in Voyager so they'd be able to throw holodeck episodes at us without having to explain how this ship that supposedly has to conserve energy to the point that they have to ration replicated food and must submit themselves to Neelix' horror food can still have the holodecks running.
It's nuts anyway. Voyager has enough energy to move a ship longer than an aircraft carrier through space at an average speed of 1000c (warp 8), but it can't make a cuppa joe for Janeway? Imagine the following...

JANEWAY: "We're going warp 8. How much energy are we using?"
TORRES: "Approximately 17.7 petawatts, captain."
JANEWAY: "How much will we use if we slow to warp 7.8?"
TORRES: "About 17.2 petawatts. More precisely, a savings of 508.9 terawatts."
JANEWAY: "Is that enough for me to replicate the occasional cup of coffee?"
TORRES: "Approximately 250 million cups per day, captain. Or 1.2 billion if you re-use your mug."
JANEWAY: "Do it."

Really, why not just slow to warp 7.8 or so, and channel the saved energy to ship's systems?
 
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It's nuts anyway. Voyager has enough energy to move a ship longer than an aircraft carrier through space at an average speed of 1000c (warp 8), but it can't make a cuppa joe for Janeway? Imagine the following...

JANEWAY: "We're going warp 8. How much energy are we using?"
TORRES: "Approximately 17.7 petawatts, captain."
JANEWAY: "How much will we use if we slow to warp 7.8?"
TORRES: "About 17.2 petawatts. More precisely, a savings of 508.9 terawatts."
JANEWAY: "Is that enough for me to replicate the occasional cup of coffee?"
TORRES: "Approximately 250 million cups per day, captain. Or 1.2 billion if you refuse your mug."
JANEWAY: "Do it."

Really, why not just slow to warp 7.8 or so, and channel the saved energy to ship's systems?

It's also not like the Delta Quadrant is some sort of wasteland where they can't find any opportunity to recharge. And as you point out it's likely that even if they have to trade replicated goods for their recharges, they'd still likely have an astronomical energy profit margin.
 
What about food, is food holo or is food on a holodeck real food, because given this power situation why not use the holodeck as a lunch room if it's got it's own power and then you won't have to starve or scrimp?
 
Because the holodeck doesn't replicate things, it just maneuvers light and force fields. If food is being served, it works in conjunction with the replicators. Probably consumes more power because it has to transport the stuff in.

And also, it's funny that the transporter, which had to use way more juice than the replicators, could be used without limit.
 
Or it could just be a case that holodecks were never meant to run an entire starship. The incapability is unlikely to be the actual type of power used, since holodecks appear to run off the same EPS as other systems on the ship, but it could be with distribution, stability, and even regulation. You can send power to the holodeck from the warp core, but getting the holodeck to power the warp core could be asking for it.

I doubt it's that easy, otherwise it would be standard practice. And trying to feed 150 or so people three times a day might be considered an unnecessary drain on the ship's power grid when rationing and scrounging are other alternatives that can allow the ship to go longer without searching to refuel the main tank.
That's why replicator rations were introduced and soon became the basis of the ship's economy, along with holodeck time. People were probably issued X number of rations per month and could use them on whatever - favorite food, a Hawaiian shirt to wear on the holodeck, or when Harry replicated a clarinet to replace the one he forgot back on Earth.

But once those rations are used up, you either had to persuade someone else to spend theirs on you, trade something, or get used to the leola root stew.

Rank would have had its privileges, of course, but Sam Wildman's allowance would have been upped once Naomi was born.

I remember an early episode where Paris cleaned up on rations when he started a betting pool on whatever. Janeway shut it down, but must have changed her mind at some point as she later put down a bet on when B'Elanna's baby would be born.

It wasn't used all the time. Despite the number of holodeck episodes in VOY, its usage was probably regulated more than on other ships for that reason. Outside of special circumstances and unauthorized access, crewmembers probably had to get permission (off-screen, of course) rather than use it whenever they wanted.
There are scenes of people swapping shifts and trading favors for holodeck time, so unless it's one of the "open door" times like Fairhaven when Janeway allowed the crew to go there whenever they were off-duty and felt like it, then I would imagine holodeck time was rationed as well.

Paris did well to create scenarios where the crew could go to relax and have a drink, shoot a game of pool, and so on. Given how far they were from Federation space and known worlds and starbases, it's not like they had as many opportunities for recreational shore leave. The holodecks on Voyager were necessary for their mental health, and also served as a way to set up training facilities.
 
Hm. I thought it was Janeway. It's been ages since I've seen any Voyager episodes.
 
That was fake.

Paris was doing something elicitly criminal so that he could fight Chakotay and get kicked off the ship, in an attempt to capture Seska.

Later however...

JANEWAY: That baby is as stubborn as her mother.
CHAKOTAY: Harry's starting a pool to see who can guess the actual date and time of birth.
JANEWAY: Tell him to put me down for next Friday, twenty three hundred hours. Anything else?
CHAKOTAY: Crewman Chell's asked about taking over in the mess hall full time.

5 years of reality later outside the magic kingdom, and they are all degenerate space bums.
 
Voyager had two holodecks and 148 crew. (Give or take.) Scheduled holodeck time would be more about covering everyone's turn rather than any kind of rationing. And it still doesn't explain why they weren't used to supplement their food stores. Maybe the scene where they justify keeping the holodecks running could have been 30 seconds long instead of fifteen. ;)
 
You can't have everyone using the holodeck just any time they want, even when off-duty. They would have to take turns, and be limited to how much time they get. That's alluded to when Tom and B'Elanna have a conflict with the Doctor over their date and his golf game. Go over your allotted time and the next person gets justifiably angry.
 
You can't have everyone using the holodeck just any time they want, even when off-duty. They would have to take turns, and be limited to how much time they get. That's alluded to when Tom and B'Elanna have a conflict with the Doctor over their date and his golf game. Go over your allotted time and the next person gets justifiably angry.

People in the holodeck are ignorant, that they are all 10 feet away from 10 different people, so on even a small holo deck, you could have 2 hundred people having 2 hundred isolated uneffected mutual adventures, and nobody is none the wiser.
 
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There's no guarantee that Harry's pool involved any currency. Especially since replicators could presumably be used without limit by then.
 
Because the holodeck doesn't replicate things, it just maneuvers light and force fields. If food is being served, it works in conjunction with the replicators. Probably consumes more power because it has to transport the stuff in.

And also, it's funny that the transporter, which had to use way more juice than the replicators, could be used without limit.

Well?

RIKER: Nice to meet you, Pinocchio. A joke.
DATA: Ah. Intriguing.
RIKER: You're going to be an interesting companion, Mister Data.
DATA: This woodland pattern is quite popular, sir. Perhaps because it duplicates Earth so well. Coming here almost makes me feel human myself.
RIKER: I didn't believe these simulations could be this real.
DATA: Much of it is real, sir. If the transporters can convert our bodies to an energy beam, then back to the original pattern again

RIKER: Yes, of course. And these rocks and vegetation have much simpler patterns.
DATA: Correct, sir. The rear wall.
RIKER: I can't see it.
DATA: We're right next to it.
(He throws a rock at it, and the image pixilates on impact)
RIKER: Incredible!

Of course later on Voyager you get statements like "All life is photonic"

TUVOK: Ensign. Everything you see here is a simulation. None of it's real.
ALIEN: Simulation?
TUVOK: A photonically-based projection.
ALIEN: All life is photonic.
TUVOK: We are not. we are biochemical lifeforms.

Maybe this is big change that the Bynars did to the system?
 
It's nuts anyway. Voyager has enough energy to move a ship longer than an aircraft carrier through space at an average speed of 1000c (warp 8), but it can't make a cuppa joe for Janeway? Imagine the following...

JANEWAY: "We're going warp 8. How much energy are we using?"
TORRES: "Approximately 17.7 petawatts, captain."
JANEWAY: "How much will we use if we slow to warp 7.8?"
TORRES: "About 17.2 petawatts. More precisely, a savings of 508.9 terawatts."
JANEWAY: "Is that enough for me to replicate the occasional cup of coffee?"
TORRES: "Approximately 250 million cups per day, captain. Or 1.2 billion if you re-use your mug."

Janeway: I believe you and me may have a somewhat different working definition of 'occasional cup of coffee'. How many cups if we were to slow down to warp 3.5?
 
There's no guarantee that Harry's pool involved any currency. Especially since replicators could presumably be used without limit by then.

Neelix was Gone.

They replaced him with Chell.

They still needed a chef for degenerates who can't budget, or maybe some of them started to like actual real food?

Season 5 is the last mention of Replicator rations in warhead.
 
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They still needed a chef for degenerates who can't budget, or maybe some of them started to like actual real food?
Maybe they did at that. Or maybe they just liked having a mess hall. As far as we know, Voyager didn't have a social space where people could eat together. And unlike the Kreetasians, humans like that.
 
Plus, it's quicker and less messy to decorate a room with holograms than actual decorations. It'd look better, too; transport you to a whole different world for a little while. Think of it as the difference between going camping in a forest vs your backyard. Not that the latter can't be fun if you use your imagination. Immersion is what they're going for.
 
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