Has this ever been addressed on any of the modern Trek shows?

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  1. Greg Cox

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    By amazing coincidence, they finally addressed this issue in yesterday's new episode of PICARD.

    Episode 4: "No-Win Scenario."
     
  2. Qonundrum

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    Didn't "Booby Trap" have LaForge all annoyed because the computer closed the running program in order to save energy? That would imply it has no isolated power source.

    Or the other way around, per your idea - it might indeed have a separate power supply, which can be funneled to other areas if needed.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    Voyager didn't just have a separate power source, it had in incompatible power source with the rest of the ship... Maybe the Holodecks (of that era) were made by someone else, somewhere else, and they are not StarFleet Issue, because Starfleet makes shit holdecks?

    In the Booby Trap non essential systems were denied priority service as a McGuffin drained all of Ship's power.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    If they all hadn't gone to the holodeck, to die, maybe they would have figured out how to live, before it came down to the last possible second.

    Although...

    It took Samantha Carter 20 long years to figure out the same solution, or Mitchel figured it out, in the final episode of StarGate SG1.

    Were they surfing or sailing?

    They were riding on a current, but they were also catching a wind in their sails.

    Too much exotic matter to hoist a solar sail?

    (Solar sails are about power, not thrust.)

    Did these mopey drunks forget that space is three dimensional?

    Once the enemy ship stopped tracking them, baring extreme coincidence, the only way it could have met them on the rim, was if the Titan kept going in and out of the cloud at close to exactly the same point on it's exterior.

    Why call a little ship the Titan?

    Are they being ironic?
     
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  5. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    That always annoyed me about Star Trek, that space is three dimensional yet every encounter or battle is played along a flat plane
     
  6. trekshark

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    TWOK had a battle in 3 dimensions
     
  7. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    The one rare exception.

    Battles in space would have ships firing in all directions up and down not just along a flat plane as if they were on an ocean.
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    Not on Intrepid and newer starships.
     
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  9. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yup. The fact that one has it as a stand out is strange.
     
  10. drt

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    And even that one was arguably two dimensional until Spock reminded Kirk space was three dimensional.
     
  11. NCC-73515

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    Because the galaxy is flat, and when they go somewhere, it's usually along the galactic plane.

    As soon as the ships get close to each other, they do fly above and below each other. And of course they fire while they do that. Just because you see 2 ships lined up to each other does not mean that line can't have any angle, even perpendicular to the galactic plane.
     
  12. Farscape One

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    "All Good Things..." had the future Enterprise come up under the Klingons.
     
  13. Gingerbread Demon

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    True, I guess they remembered TWOK which was also a three dimensional battle
     
  14. Tosk

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    Chang fires on both Enterprise and Excelsior from directly "below" in Star Trek VI.
    The Klingons come in from "above" in Sacrifice of Angels.
    The Jem'Hadar ships point "downwards" while firing at the Defiant in The Search.
    Starfleet ships come in from all angles during the Borg fight in First Contact.
     
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  15. The Wormhole

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    I always liked it when Stargate made fun of the trope of sci-fi battles typically being two dimensional. When fighting the Ori, the heroes always position themselves either in front of or behind the Ori ships. The Ori counter this by attacking the hero ships from above and below, which the hero ships are completely unprepared for and thus lose that battle.
     
  16. publiusr

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    To me it kind of does…an artificial reality in a constant state of flux would be like dirty power of a generator used to recharge internet devices—just don’t.
     
  17. Tosk

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    A question to everyone who thinks a completely incompatible power supply for the holodeck makes any sense...

    Where does the power actually come from? As in, what method of recharging does this dedicated power source use?
     
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  18. Guy Gardener

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    From google...

     
  19. Citiprime

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    One way I could understand it being independent and incompatible, even though it doesn't make a bit of sense, is that:
    1. A way to isolate the Holodecks as a sanctuary/safe room. Both holographic doctors and other needs could be tended to in a disaster situation.
    2. A way to make sure anything created in the Holodeck can't affect the rest of the ship after the Moriarty situation aboard the Enterprise. Since the Holodeck seem capable of creating sentient programs, any possible takeover of the ship by a holographic entity could be isolated to the Holodeck by keeping the systems separate.
     
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  20. Guy Gardener

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    We don't know that the newest Holodecks have entirely incompatible power systems. Seperate sure, but if the captain needed just a couple extra joules to save the ship from certain Doom, they'd be able to steal power from the holodeck surely?