Discovery ending with Season 5

[Yistaan]

Post-credits Discovery Series Finale scene.

Future Guy: Were you followed Agent Kovich?

Kovich: Absolutely not, President Archer. The entire crew was too busy partying with Admiral Vance at Fed headquarters only to realize too late I hijacked the ship. You were right that waiting for Discovery's arrival meant access to an old-style warp engine that could still perform the slingshot maneuver, unlike the new engines built after the Temporal Accords.

Future Guy: And who needs to be... eliminated?

Kovich: I recommend a complete orbital bombardment of Kaminar as well as hunting down all Kelpiens. A Kelpien mutant will cause the Burn, and we can prevent that. I'd also look into taking early action against some fellows called 10-C.

Future Guy: Our Section 31 director will get to it immediately. His experience in World War 3 will serve us well. Keep Discovery hidden and stationary for the next thousand years to ensure we still have an old style warp engine slingshot escape route in the event the Temporal Wars still end the same way. Director, I suggest you immediately work to take... care of Kaminar and 10-C.

Cristobal Rios steps out of the shadows next to President Archer.

 

[Vger23]

I haven't read any of this, and I honestly have zero desire to do so.

I'll just say that I think I'm ok with this decision. DSC has been great fun, and it single-handedly served as a springboard for all these new and exciting Trek shows we currently have. But, it was a rocky ride, and I'm not sure it was outfitted for a longer haul. Quite honestly, it was pretty much "done" at the end of S2, and the last two seasons have been more like epilogue / bonus time for the series. I am a big fan...but I can understand and even agree with this decision. I think DSC has run its course. In fact, it's absolutely amazing that it survived as long as it did with as much success as it had. I'm proud of what they accomplished under such difficult circumstances.

Ultimately, I'm grateful for what we got. I hope S5 turns out amazing and sends the show out on a high note.

I really hope that this doesn't signal a shift away from Star Trek at P+. Seems like it didn't take too long for the beancounters working at these streaming services to get a hold of things. Streaming is about to become as dull and mundane as network TV now.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Enough that they've been airing it that way for years. I think it's nuts. Who the Hell watches five Star Trek series every day? Rhetorical question. But apparently it works for H&I.

I used to. For a while anyway.

 

[eschaton]

The far future setting could've had great potential (such as a storyline about Discovery inspiring or even helping the creation of something completely new grounded in the ideals of the Federation of old, with the actual one existing as a rump state akin to the late Byzantine Empire in decline), but I feel the creators ultimately decided to play it safe instead due to their fear of further criticism, and it hurt the series on the long run in my view. As the end of Discovery approaches, I find that I'll be mostly missing the characters and the ship, but not the future they've arrived in.

My idea at the end of Season 2 was that Discovery should have found the 32nd century almost totally empty. Like they go back to Earth and find it pristine with ice age fauna, find giant megastructures they don't understand, etc. Eventually they do find some isolated groups - people in stasis, sentient holos who were left offline, etc. - and start to piece things together. It's basically Star Trek: Left Behind. The Federation ascended into being a bunch of energy beings and left the galaxy entirely.

What I love about this is it helps solve one of the biggest mysteries in the Trek universe - why there is so little evidence of civilizations with millions of years of history far advanced beyond us. Ascending is just a very easy process so most civilizations do it - including the Federation eventually. It also gives the ship a lot of agency, since instead of an advanced Federation it comes back to a largely empty quadrant.

 

[Lord Garth]

I used to. For a while anyway.

You were dedicated.

I do not think I could stand three or four straight hours of Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway muzak in the background every day...

 

[JoseNoodles]

You were dedicated.

I do not think I could stand three or four straight hours of Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway muzak in the background every day...

It was mostly during the Pandemic, and later when I was off from work in the summer. It did start to get to me. I started missing TOS and got tired of TNG. Eventually I just watched select episodes of DS9, Voyager, and the occasional Enterprise episode. When I decided I would do a complete rewatch of legacy Trek via streaming, I stopped watching H&I entirely.

 

[Dukhat]

It explicitly spells out the intentions of the producers. Not to mention Gray being resurrected using the season one Picard Golem. If you're gonna say crap like it doesn't count because [conveluted multiverse nonsense], I might as well say the same and "prove" that TNG can't possibly be the same universe as DS9 or TOS because anything you say to show the obvious intent can be ignored the exact same way.

Oh and there's this:

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"The Cage" is explicitly Discovery/SNW continuity despite the visual and attitude changes.

Hey, just because you’re a paid Paramount+ plant doesn’t give you the authority to tell me how I should view a fictional TV show.

 

[Commander Troi]

Well there was clearly a problem with the show otherwise it would not be on the chopping block.

Firefly would like a word with you...

 

[Yistaan]

Firefly would like a word with you...

Does it? I thought everything Whedon run was retroactively labeled worst film/tv ever after Whedon's fall from grace (on a more serious note, it is surprising how people only realized how terrible his Avengers films were only after his scandal)

 

[fireproof78]

Firefly would like a word with you...

I think it depends on present company. I still refer people to watch it because it could appeal, either from an SF base or a western base.

Hey, just because you’re a paid Paramount+ plant doesn’t give you the authority to tell me how I should view a fictional TV show.

Why else do I pay him then?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Does it? I thought everything Whedon run was retroactively labeled worst film/tv ever after Whedon's fall from grace (on a more serious note, it is surprising how people only realized how terrible his Avengers films were only after his scandal)

I was with you until your Avengers comment haha.
Still adore the first one.

 

[fireproof78]

Still adore the first one.

I was surprised how much I liked it when I rewatched it last year with my teenage daughter who was on a huge Marvel kick.

 

[Commander Troi]

Does it? I thought everything Whedon run was retroactively labeled worst film/tv ever after Whedon's fall from grace (on a more serious note, it is surprising how people only realized how terrible his Avengers films were only after his scandal)

No. I decided that my love of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly was no less real after learning Joss is an ass than it had been before that. TV is a collaborative medium and I choose to be thankful for the hard work the cast and crew brought to the shows.

 

[TRON JA307020]

So Discovery basically gets about 5 separate adventures. That's not a whole lot compared to all the other major crews. It's less than even the Star Trek the animated series. So 5 adventures and the crew is done.

 

[fireproof78]

So Discovery basically gets about 5 separate adventures. That's not a whole lot compared to all the other major crews. It's less than even the Star Trek the animated series. So 5 adventures and the crew is done.

Ok? And?

I enjoy the adventures. I believe the term is "Good enough." Because that's what I want.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Ok? And?

I enjoy the adventures. I believe the term is "Good enough." Because that's what I want.

What i mean is I'm glad they only had 5 adventures. Basically a footnote in star trek when you combine all the adventures all the other crews had. In the first session of TOS the crew had over 25 different distinct missions. That's just one season.

 

[fireproof78]

What i mean is I'm glad they only had 5 adventures. Basically a footnote in star trek when you combine all the adventures all the other crews had. In the first session of TOS the crew had over 25 different distinct missions. That's just one season.

Good enough for me.

Ignore it at your leisure.

 

[Lord Garth]

Seems like it didn't take too long for the beancounters working at these streaming services to get a hold of things. Streaming is about to become as dull and mundane as network TV now.

Sounds about right. We'll see how it goes, but I think I'm probably going to bow out after DSC and PIC are done. So this is my last hurrah, just like theirs.

For those who don't think I'd do it: I stopped watching Star Trek in 1999 and it continued until 2005. So I've done it before, and I'll do it again if I'm not feeling it anymore.

 

[Lord Garth]

No. I decided that my love of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly was no less real after learning Joss is an ass than it had been before that. TV is a collaborative medium and I choose to be thankful for the hard work the cast and crew brought to the shows.

Firefly was great. I like Dollhouse even better. If not for Firefly, I wouldn't have ever watched Buffy or Angel. But I'm glad I did. Alien: Resurrection -- directed by Joss Whedon -- is an Alien movie I love. Not my favorite Alien movie, but I don't trash it like others do. Unpopular Opinion right there.

So, my opinion of the things he's done hasn't changed. I just level the problems I have with him squarely at him alone, like everyone else.

 

[Tuskin38]

I watched Buffy when it originally aired, I didn't catch Angels until after it ended. Firefly I also watched as it aired. Dollhouse I never watched.