Maybe I belong here, as the differences between the TOS version and SNW version are obvious.
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I see the differences and it makes no difference to me. Call it a reboot, alternate universe, reimagining or whatever the heck you want. Is it entertaining? Does it exist in the world of Trek? Yes for both for me.
A ship is a ship. It requires nothing more than to fly around. And, if the age old chestnut of "Well, the Enterprise is a character!" then the recasting thing is next on my list. If Saavik can look like Kristie Alley and Robin Curtis, or if David Warner can play two different characters in back to back films, then somehow, strangely, my suspension of disbelief continues on that these stories are being told about the same crewmembers, just with different production values. Like if I go and watch Shakespeare at my local community theater and then go to Broadway. I don't go, "Oh, that's the wrong Denmark."
A ship is a ship. It requires nothing more than to fly around. And, if the age old chestnut of "Well, the Enterprise is a character!" then the recasting thing is next on my list. If Saavik can look like Kristie Alley and Robin Curtis, or if David Warner can play two different characters in back to back films, then somehow, strangely, my suspension of disbelief continues on that these stories are being told about the same crewmembers, just with different production values. Like if I go and watch Shakespeare at my local community theater and then go to Broadway. I don't go, "Oh, that's the wrong Denmark."
Well it kinda is but they act like it isn't and cross over the new and old versions of everything willy-nilly like it isn't.BTW, I just finished watching the first episode of SNW with my gf, who is a Trek fan but not as hardcore as I am, although she did grow up with TOS like I did. When the episode finished, she asked, “So is this some kind of reboot?”
Well it kinda is but they act like it isn't and cross over the new and old versions of everything willy-nilly like it isn't.
It's a creative reboot (in the sense that it's taking the basic concept of TOS and doing a modern version of it) but not a continuity reboot (because it is set in the same continuity as TOS).
But Pike's bedroom is bonkers huge now. Chris Chapel is an entirely different person (which nothing short of a massive untreated breakdown would make her the TOS version) and so on.
Lots of suspension of disbelief is required. I'm really curious how the Lower Decks crossover is going to play out, since it's a show that obsesses about TOS and minutae. Probably just a "it looks different from on the holodeck!" type remark, or Voyager-style "holographic imaging technology was less accurate back then" (to explain Sulu being a decade older in Voyager than STVI), but we'll see.
It makes no difference to me either, in the large scheme of things. They’re making SNW. It looks nice. I’m going to watch it. But it simply doesn’t look like what I would have done had I been given the job of making a show in the year 2022 that’s supposed to take place in the same universe as a show produced in 1966. That’s all. I get that they had to build upon what was done in the first two seasons of DSC (which looked and felt even less like TOS than SNW does.) I simply would have stated that these shows are a reboot. Whether the ‘casual viewing audience’ cares about that minutiae or not, is irrelevant to me. It’s simply what I would have done. The producers of DSC and SNW didn’t go that route. And I’m still watching their shows (or at least SNW…I stopped watching DSC after the third season.)
Yes. And neither of these things are incompatible with a bare statement of continuity facts, and therefore they mark SNW as a creative reboot rather than a continuity reboot.
The first season of TOS went from depicting the starship Enterprise as a United Earth ship that was operated by the United Earth Space Probe Agency to depicting it as the property of the United Federation of Planets operated by the Federation Starfleet. The "time barrier" went from being this thing that had been broken some time before "The Cage" to being something no starship had ever done before "The Naked Now." Spock's people went from being Vulcanians who had no moon and had been conquered by Earth to being Vulcans who had never been conquered in living memory and had a very large moon in TMP.
Lots of suspension of disbelief has always been required.
Or the simplest explanation: "Man, Starfleet really changed these old Constitution class ships around a lot when they gave them refits!"
I wouldn't have done it that way either. Doesn't change my view.
Though, I'm done watching SNW or DSC so I guess you win.
The first thing I thought of when I saw Chapel was…Agnes Jurati. The actress and her mannerisms evoke Jurati far more than Chapel. As you say, it’s like she’s a completely different person.
I wouldn't have done it that way either. Doesn't change my view.
Though, I'm done watching SNW or DSC so I guess you win.
I haven’t won anything, because this wasn’t any kind of contest.
Humor...it is a difficult concept.
She barely had character in TOS.
I think that @fireproof78 , @Dukhat , @Sci and @F. King Daniel would have made a good creative team on a Star Trek series but they would have needed @Danja to show run. Can’t you all crowd fund something for Netflix?
Good humor even more so.
The character she did have was nothing like SNW Chapel, although I’m reserving my judgment until I finish the season.
I think that @fireproof78 , @Dukhat , @Sci and @F. King Daniel would have made a good creative team on a Star Trek series but they would have needed @Danja to show run. Can’t you all crowd fund something for Netflix?
Now THAT’S humorous.
I think that @fireproof78 , @Dukhat , @Sci and @F. King Daniel would have made a good creative team on a Star Trek series but they would have needed @Danja to show run. Can’t you all crowd fund something for Netflix?
Leave to the German to organize things!
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That surprises me, because I honestly think that Jurati and Chapel have completely different personalities. Like, to the point where I don't necessarily think Jurati and Chapel would even get along very well together.
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To elaborate... The SNW version of Chapel is very extroverted, very outgoing, and I suspect was a little bit of a party animal when she was in college. She may be afraid of intimacy, but she's also the sort of person who has a kind of magnetism that draws people to her. Jurati, on the other hand, is a very lonely, introverted person. She craves intimacy, but she's bad at establishing and maintaining relationships. She's awkward because she's often afraid of rejection.
Upon further consideration, it occurs to me that it might be more likely that Chapel would recognize that facet of Jurati and would actively invite Jurati to become friends. I could see her trying to draw Jurati out of her shell.
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Granted my impression of Chapel coming off like Jurati was from the first episode only. But her look and mannerisms immediately reminded me of PIC season 2 Jurati. And it certainly did NOT remind me of TOS Chapel.
But I fear I am segueing from the topic of starships. Perhaps I should bring this up in the Chapel thread instead.
But I fear I am segueing from the topic of starships. Perhaps I should bring this up in the Chapel thread instead.
Ah. Say no more.
I’ll personally let you know what I think about her after I finish the season.
But her mannerisms have next to nothing in common with Jurati. The only thing they have in common is that they're both blonde white women with frizzy hair.
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