What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[XCV330]

I would say Insurrection is dead last on the list for me, followed by Nemesis. Neither script should have been approved. My opinion of TFF has increased over time, as I can see the good movie stuck inside of it wishing to come out. It has its good points. Better soundtrack and effects might have saved the movie (edit, made a specific statement about the box office, and I don't know and I don't feel like having one of the local fact-stasi give me the details). Its fun to watch, if you haven't seen it in awhile. Generations has good scenes, a decent plot, outstanding cast and it doesn't interest me very much and never really has. Not sure why.

 

[Oddish]

Data enters stage left wearing a barber-shop quartet outfit complete with cute little straw hat. A spotlight follows him to the centre of the stage.

If it involves Data and singing barbershop, I'm totally all in.

 

[Vger23]

Nemesis is a much better film than Insurrection. At least things happen in NEM and it tried to be a great, exciting film.

INS literally aimed to be light and mediocre…and the fact that it exceeded those criteria by a wide margin make it Trek’s only unforgivable box office outing for me. Absolutely embarrassing and dreadful, and more disposable than 75% of the 1-hour television shows (each with 1/40th the budget) it was based on.

Franchise low-mark.

 

[dupersuper]

I can't argue that the TNG series finale was a better sendoff than NEMESIS. That's not even a contest. NEMESIS was so bad a sendoff that we're about to get a real one, over 20 years after the movie.

...We hope...

Because it's the big budget version of one of the really mediocre two-parters like "Birthright" or "Time's Arrow." Yeah, it's longer, but it's still not particularly interesting.

Plus the villain's "plan" is profoundly stupid.

I mean its better than Nemesis, so it has that going for it.

So does a root canal...

My issue with "Insurrection" was that I didn't agree with Picard's position. Given a choice between relocating 600 people and turning their back on something that could benefit billions, I know what I would choose.

Even worse: they were a small agrarian colony that had abandoned technology. If the Federation built a massive complex on the other side of the planet, they would know...how? Star Trek often forgets how large planets are...

 

[Vanyel]

Even worse: they were a small agrarian colony that had abandoned technology. If the Federation built a massive complex on the other side of the planet, they would know...how? Star Trek often forgets how large planets are...

Yet they knew what was wrong with Data and how to fix him. It, to me anyway, seemed they left behind their dependence on technology, but still had it and how to recreate it if the need arose. Even if Starfleet took the long way around, or waited until the their base was on the night side to hide their approach or they couldn't be seen because they were on the opposite side of the planet, sooner or later, someone on the planet would notice, or they would explore their planet and find the base. A bad crop. drastic meteorological disturbances or change (a volcano or earthquakes) in their area could cause them to pull out that old tech to look for a new part of the planet to live on and find the base.

And regardless of how they got to the planet it is their home. The Federation know the people are capable of warp travel, but choose not to use it, meaning the Federation by its own code of conduct would have to ask to make a base.

 

[dupersuper]

Yet they knew what was wrong with Data and how to fix him. It, to me anyway, seemed they left behind their dependence on technology, but still had it and how to recreate it if the need arose. Even if Starfleet took the long way around, or waited until the their base was on the night side to hide their approach or they couldn't be seen because they were on the opposite side of the planet, sooner or later, someone on the planet would notice, or they would explore their planet and find the base. A bad crop. drastic meteorological disturbances or change (a volcano or earthquakes) in their area could cause them to pull out that old tech to look for a new part of the planet to live on and find the base.

They have technical know-how, sure, but they weren't using it and likely wouldn't be scanning for ships.

And regardless of how they got to the planet it is their home. The Federation know the people are capable of warp travel, but choose not to use it, meaning the Federation by its own code of conduct would have to ask to make a base.

The Federation sure, but the rogue admiral was being needlessly evil.

 

[Vanyel]

They have technical know-how, sure, but they weren't using it and likely wouldn't be scanning for ships.

But if they had to move or just chose to explore they could use their technical know-how to recreate, or just pull out their tech to make the journey safe and either see the ships (or stars that come and go if they get far enough away to be on the side of the planet that is dark.

Also, as the leader of the Ba'Ku said "Our technological abilities are not apparent because we have chosen not to employ them in our daily lives." So they have the tech, but don't use it as regularly as the Federation. I and others have made the mistake to say they have abandoned their technology, but they haven't. Now that they know that the Federation is around, and it would seem logical that word would get out about their planets regenerative abilities, they may decide to bring out that scanning technology they used when they once explored the stars. They may not have been scanning the skies before which allowed the Sona to approach, now it would be in their best interests to scan the skies.

 

[at Quark's]

Yet they knew what was wrong with Data and how to fix him. It, to me anyway, seemed they left behind their dependence on technology, but still had it and how to recreate it if the need arose. Even if Starfleet took the long way around, or waited until the their base was on the night side to hide their approach or they couldn't be seen because they were on the opposite side of the planet, sooner or later, someone on the planet would notice, or they would explore their planet and find the base. A bad crop. drastic meteorological disturbances or change (a volcano or earthquakes) in their area could cause them to pull out that old tech to look for a new part of the planet to live on and find the base.

And regardless of how they got to the planet it is their home. The Federation know the people are capable of warp travel, but choose not to use it, meaning the Federation by its own code of conduct would have to ask to make a base.

I wonder whether they also pass the know-how of high tech on to younger generations or it's simply the remnants of their previous life.

After all, they don't age, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're immortal in the absolute sense. They might still end up dead after falling from a mountain cliff or drowning or some rampant infectious disease or what-have-you, and valuable (even if seldomly used) knowledge might be lost that way.

 

[Oddish]

After all, they don't age, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're immortal in the absolute sense. They might still end up dead after falling from a mountain cliff or drowning or some rampant infectious disease or what-have-you, and valuable (even if seldomly used) knowledge might be lost that way.

People often confuse "asenescent" (doesn't age) with "immortal" (cannot die period). We actually have lifeforms that are asenescent, but as far as I know, everything on this planet can be killed some way or other.

 

[Mytran]

But if they had to move or just chose to explore they could use their technical know-how to recreate, or just pull out their tech to make the journey safe and either see the ships (or stars that come and go if they get far enough away to be on the side of the planet that is dark.

Also, as the leader of the Ba'Ku said "Our technological abilities are not apparent because we have chosen not to employ them in our daily lives." So they have the tech, but don't use it as regularly as the Federation. I and others have made the mistake to say they have abandoned their technology, but they haven't. Now that they know that the Federation is around, and it would seem logical that word would get out about their planets regenerative abilities, they may decide to bring out that scanning technology they used when they once explored the stars. They may not have been scanning the skies before which allowed the Sona to approach, now it would be in their best interests to scan the skies.

The adult Ba'ku may have retained the technical knowledge needed in order to attempt a repair on Data, but I wonder what tech would have been left behind after the Son'a staged their exodus a century prior. Was there a super secret warehouse full of forbidden tech which was still available to the Ba'ku once the duckblind went down? Where was it hidden in the village? The Son'a must have taken space ships, but what else?

It makes me wonder if the Ba'ku used the tech in the Starfleet base to attempt their repairs on Data and were just referring to their scientific knowledge in the quoted dialogue.

 

[Kor]

I'm pretty sure the A was said to be the flagship in TUC. Which was interesting since it was pretty clearly not the strongest or most advanced ship in the fleet at that point.

TUC actually didn't refer to the Enterprise-A as the flagship, either in dialog or on any charts or displays visible to the viewer. They never stated that the ship had any special level of status within the fleet.

Kor

 

[Vale]

TUC actually didn't refer to the Enterprise-A as the flagship, either in dialog or on any charts or displays visible to the viewer. They never stated that the ship had any special level of status within the fleet.

Kor

The only Enterprise explicitly referred to as a flagship on-screen throughout all of TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY (and associated movies) was the Enterprise-D.

 

[Farscape One]

TUC actually didn't refer to the Enterprise-A as the flagship, either in dialog or on any charts or displays visible to the viewer. They never stated that the ship had any special level of status within the fleet.

Kor

Very true. The only reason the Enterprise-A was the one escorting Gorkon's ship was because Spock volunteered the ship and crew.

 

[fireproof78]

TUC actually didn't refer to the Enterprise-A as the flagship, either in dialog or on any charts or displays visible to the viewer. They never stated that the ship had any special level of status within the fleet.

Kor

Yeah, nothing indicates the A as a flagship. It merely played escort for the Chancellor's ship.

 

[Paul755]

And they only picked Kirk and the Enterprise because Spock volunteered the ship and crew and because of Kirk’s reputation (“they’ll think twice about attacking the Enterprise under your command”).

 

[GNDN18]

And they only picked Kirk and the Enterprise because Spock volunteered the ship and crew and because of Kirk’s reputation (“they’ll think twice about attacking the Enterprise under your command”).

That, and Bill’s observation that Kirk’s antipathy toward Klingons would signal the more reactionary beings in the Empire that the time for war was over.

 

[Tango]

My controversial Star Trek opinion is: I am the only Star Trek fan without any controversial Star Trek opinions. No, wait...

 

[Kor]

That, and Bill’s observation that Kirk’s antipathy toward Klingons would signal the more reactionary beings in the Empire that the time for war was over.

While not specifically mentioned in the movie, he also couldn't be accused by anyone in the Federation of acting out of pro-Klingon sympathy or whatever, having his loyalties called into question.

Kor

 

[GNDN18]

While not specifically mentioned in the movie, he also couldn't be accused by anyone in the Federation of acting out of pro-Klingon sympathy or whatever, having his loyalties called into question.

Kor

Indeed.

 

[Lord Garth]

Controversial Opinion, because it changes the next five seasons of the show: Once the Dominion made clear the space surrounding the Wormhole in the Gamma Quadrant was theirs, that should've been the end of anyone from the Alpha Quadrant using the Wormhole. The only problem here is that the Dominion should've said something before the New Bajor colony was settled.