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Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

publiusr said:
The Oberth most certainly doesn’t need a TOS equivalent. That’s where I draw the line.
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Chris Douglas's USS Johnston is as close to a TOS Oberth class as I've seen and liked, albeit with a heavy Disco/SNW influence.
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Tuskin38 said:
Now here's a more faithful TOS Enterprise redesign I can get behind
https://www.deviantart.com/hunter-56/art/TOS-Enterprise-Reboot-Almost-Finished-923399429
https://www.deviantart.com/hunter-56/art/Star-Trek-TOS-Space-Seed-915227779

Edit: Oh :whistle: they're here on TrekBBS
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/yes-another-tos-constitution-reboot.255106/page-17
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Had THIS shown up on movie screens in 2009, there would have been no rolling noises coming from Matt Jefferies resting place.
 
shipfisher said:
Had THIS shown up on movie screens in 2009, there would have been no rolling noises coming from Matt Jefferies resting place.
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My only problem with the Disco price has always been the swept TMP style Nacelle Pylons with the slit down the middle.

Had those Pylons been straight up, or even straight up with the slit down the middle, I'd probably like the Disco prize more than the original TOS version of the 1701.

(Yeah the original '60s style TOS 1701 is still my favorite look for the exterior of the ship. I don't think it looks out of date at all. They made an excellent Digital starship/constitution class model for ENT S4 In A Mirror Darkly, that looked beautiful in HD resolution.)
 
Jack Wolfe said:
The Discoprise solves a number of fundamental problems with the OG Enterprise. The "neck" has been shortened, alleviating a critical vulnerability. The swept warp nacelle pylons alleviate structural stress at warp speeds. After that, she looks cool as hell.
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What design flaws? You think that building materials and methods haven't changed/improved in 300 years?

In Universe that design lasted 30 years before the ST:TMP refit. If it didn't work well - I doubt they would have kept ships based on said design in service for so long. :)
 
Jack Wolfe said:
The swept warp nacelle pylons alleviate structural stress at warp speeds.
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Warp nacelles aren't jet engines; they don't "thrust" in any conventional or Newtonian sense. They generate a subspace field, like solenoids generating a magnetic field, and it's this field that moves through space at faster-than-light speeds, carrying the ship with it. There are no conventional thrust forces acting on a starship at warp; it's effectively suspended in a localised bubble of spacetime that is moving, and doesn't experience outside forces.

The bigger issue is that nacelles are disproportionately heavy due to the density of warp coil material (approximately 10% the mass of the ship each, despite being mostly hollow) and at impulse speeds would have significant momentum and inertia. Matt Jeffries was aware that the original Enterprise's nacelle pylons were too thin to be plausible, and intended this to show that materials technology was significantly more advanced than anything we understand today.
 
Jack Wolfe said:
The Discoprise solves a number of fundamental problems with the OG Enterprise. The "neck" has been shortened, alleviating a critical vulnerability. The swept warp nacelle pylons alleviate structural stress at warp speeds. After that, she looks cool as hell.
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It does the job as a vehicle to adventure. Anything else is designed to appeal to general people rather than Trek faithful.
 
Vale said:
Warp nacelles aren't jet engines; they don't "thrust" in any conventional or Newtonian sense. They generate a subspace field, like solenoids generating a magnetic field, and it's this field that moves through space at faster-than-light speeds, carrying the ship with it. There are no conventional thrust forces acting on a starship at warp; it's effectively suspended in a localised bubble of spacetime that is moving, and doesn't experience outside forces.

The bigger issue is that nacelles are disproportionately heavy due to the density of warp coil material (approximately 10% the mass of the ship each, despite being mostly hollow) and at impulse speeds would have significant momentum and inertia. Matt Jeffries was aware that the original Enterprise's nacelle pylons were too thin to be plausible, and intended this to show that materials technology was significantly more advanced than anything we understand today.
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Funny, if they ever show the TOS Enterprise on SNW near the end run of the series, when the transition happens to Kirk, the shrunken USS Enterprise with spindly straight Warp Nacelle pylons will have shown the Technological improvement in materials technology.

The shrunken Connie will show improvements in Automation, & down-sizing the Connie for improvements in STL handling by lightening the mass / structure of the overall ship.
 
KamenRiderBlade said:
Funny, if they ever show the TOS Enterprise on SNW near the end run of the series, when the transition happens to Kirk, the shrunken USS Enterprise with spindly straight Warp Nacelle pylons will have shown the Technological improvement in materials technology.

The shrunken Connie will show improvements in Automation, & down-sizing the Connie for improvements in STL handling by lightening the mass / structure of the overall ship.
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They already showed The Cage Enterprise on screen. So they're not going to 'refit' the SNW Enterprise into the TOS Enterprise, because they're supposed to be the same ship. We are just supposed to ignore the differences.
 
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