Poll After four seasons, what major change or changes would you make to Discovery?
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I apologize if the "Why?" at the end of your post was rhetorical.
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Why? From my perspective, I don't see "Burnham becomes Captain!" as the endpoint of the series. I see it as a turning point, but not the endpoint. I think "Calypso" is the endpoint of the series. Every development with Zora during the third and fourth seasons, especially the fourth, inches us closer to that.
Someone's going to say "Calypso doesn't have to be the endpoint!" Maybe, maybe not. But, like Dukhat, I'm giving my own take.
In terms of my enjoyment, while I like all three: I like Picard less than Discovery and I like Strange New Worlds less than Picard. There's some Diminishing Returns going on, as far as what I'm getting out of each successive series as a viewer. So if Discovery ended, then it would probably be replaced with something I like less. So I want DSC to continue until it narratively runs its course. And, IMO, it still hasn't.
Someone's going to say "Calypso doesn't have to be the endpoint!" Maybe, maybe not. But, like Dukhat, I'm giving my own take.
In terms of my enjoyment, while I like all three: I like Picard less than Discovery and I like Strange New Worlds less than Picard. There's some Diminishing Returns going on, as far as what I'm getting out of each successive series as a viewer. So if Discovery ended, then it would probably be replaced with something I like less. So I want DSC to continue until it narratively runs its course. And, IMO, it still hasn't.
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I finally finished all of Season 4, and while I still hold to the changes I've already written about, while finishing up the season, I thought it would be nice to get a real personal villain for Burnham next season. There really hasn't been a personal enemy that can match Burnham that hasn't had some personal/emotional tie to her or would like there to be. And for the ones that fit that bill, they got underdeveloped or killed off quickly. I would like to see a villain along the lines of Beyond's Krall, but better realized. T'Kuvma was sort of like that but he got killed off really quickly. Certainly not everyone, besides the Emerald Chain, is happy that the Federation is expanding again. But building up the Emerald Chain would be great too, and I still would like to happen even if they did create a more personal enemy.
Over the last three seasons, DISCO has had more impersonal big bads or challenges, and I would like them to lower the stakes a bit.
I can agree with you regarding the 'big bads' of season 1 and 2 but I think the overarching challenges of season 3 and 4 were necessary thematically for the rebuilding of the Federation. I think the idea of having the driving force for reunification and cooperation being 'man made' (for lack of a better term) galactic disasters instead of a 'ruthless new enemy™' was far more meaningful and true to the values of the Federation and Trek in general.
Based on what Michelle Paradise and Sonequa Martin-Green have said in interviews about the federation arc being completed and Season 5 being 'joyous and refreshing', I think there will definitely be a change of pace in terms of stakes.
Think it’s tied for fourth favorite now. Not near the top.
3rd now, which is not bad considering what SNW has been doing in terms of causing fans to be all a giddy amongst themselves.
Yes, (For me) "Calypso" was and is the only Discovery mystery plot hanging in limbo that is worthy of completing.
That said, I dont belive that it would need to be an endpoint. It could be a new start for Discovery, on a more Sci fi, exploration, less melodramatic, future.
That's not promising to hear that they consider the Federation arc completed. To me, it should be just beginning. It got such short shrift as Seasons 3 and 4 were more caught up with the mysteries of The Burn and Species 10-C. We got little Federation building outside of some emphatic speeches and emotional scenes.
And if the focus is now going to be on "joyous and refreshing" (I thought SNW cornered that market?), it sounds like we are in for more emotional gestures, lots more heartful and tearful conversations, and smiles all around. It does seem though that they are shifting to a more planet or species-of-the-week style and that would be interesting to see with Discovery. I think that's happening because I can't see them being too joyous if they are dealing with yet another galaxy killing or threatening problem.
I still would like to see a different kind of challenge for Burnham. For the most part, arguably Burnham's greatest challenge has been herself, but it would be interesting to see her opposite out there, just as determined, but diametrically opposed to her or rather the Federation (which of course Burnham personifies and symbolizes). The potential was there with the Emerald Chain leader, but she's off the series (way too soon IMO).
When we're on the same page about a part of Discovery, I think that says something. There's something about leading up to "Calypso" where I think to myself, "This feels right."
I have been a defender of Discovery. I am sick and tired of the hate it gets. It is better than most shows out there. However, it is my least favorite nuTrek show. Part of it is each season there is a threat to the universe and only Discovery can save the day. I would love more standalone or mini arc episodes. I want to know more about the 32nd century. One of my favorite episodes is the season 1 episode where Mudd keeps coming back time after time. That was a fun standalone episode.
Or maybe it could be more like season 4 of Enterprise and have mini arcs.
Saying all of this, I still think it is a very good show. It is better than Voyager and Enterprise in my eyes.
Or maybe it could be more like season 4 of Enterprise and have mini arcs.
Saying all of this, I still think it is a very good show. It is better than Voyager and Enterprise in my eyes.
I would cancel this show at the end of season 5. I think this show is one big mess. It never really grounded. It feels the showrunners don't know what to do with this one.
That being said. If the show did continue, I would stop with these ridiculous galaxy saving threats each season. More exploring and world building. If you need to have a villain, make him or her complex and let the villain remain for the rest of the series. More character episodes, less focus on Burnham. Smaller story arcs and please, please, please tone down on the emotions. Discovery feels like a psych ward.
That being said. If the show did continue, I would stop with these ridiculous galaxy saving threats each season. More exploring and world building. If you need to have a villain, make him or her complex and let the villain remain for the rest of the series. More character episodes, less focus on Burnham. Smaller story arcs and please, please, please tone down on the emotions. Discovery feels like a psych ward.
Yeah. Give Disco their Scorpius
Other...bridge carpeting. Carpeting Bashir doesn't hate.
First off everyone is entitled to their opinion. Lovers and Haters alike. As far as defense.
The show should do that on its own.
So far, SNW doesnt need any defense from the audience, its taking care of itself just fine.
SNW has its ups and downs.
Yes it does, but so do all shows. I can only hope it continues on its general course. Comparing the "Hate" out there. SNW has lots less.
Because it's doing a lot less. It's safe and comfortable.
Discovery is my preference for interesting and dramatic. Pike does a good job, and I enjoy him for the most part, and the show does well enough. But, a lot of the cast is just so...hit and miss. I hope each show continues on it's own course and audiences can get whatever comfort food viewing they require of Trek.
