Would it be cool if Captain Angel become a recurring character?

[Kor]

... But it is the job of a villain to annoy everyone

Perhaps you jest, but I think that villains whose main attribute is "annoying" are more plot devices rather than characters in their own right, mainly there as a challenge for the protagonists to overcome. Generally I think it makes for better drama if the antagonist is shown to have some kind of motivations that the audience can connect with. Captain Angel just came off as a predatory pirate, the kind of villain we are meant to "love to hate." That can be fun in small doses, but I hope we get a little more complexity with this character.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps you jest, but I think that villains whose main attribute is "annoying" are more plot devices rather than characters in their own right, mainly there as a challenge for the protagonists to overcome. Generally I think it makes for better drama if the antagonist is shown to have some kind of motivations that the audience can connect with. Captain Angel just came off as a predatory pirate, the kind of villain we are meant to "love to hate." That can be fun in small doses, but I hope we get a little more complexity when it comes to Angel's background, motivations, and so on.

Kor

Seem, if I'm annoyed by a character I consider that a credit to the actor and the writing. I may not like it, but it usually means that are imbued with attributes and a personality rather than plot devices.

 

[Sci]

Perhaps you jest, but I think that villains whose main attribute is "annoying" are more plot devices rather than characters in their own right, mainly there as a challenge for the protagonists to overcome. Generally I think it makes for better drama if the antagonist is shown to have some kind of motivations that the audience can connect with. Captain Angel just came off as a predatory pirate, the kind of villain we are meant to "love to hate." That can be fun in small doses, but I hope we get a little more complexity with this character.

Kor

I dunno, I think there was already some complexity to Angel. They're someone who is fundamentally motivated by love, and who recognizes and calls others out on having the same motivation even when folks pretend not to. They challenged Spock to think more clearly about his own identity and moving beyond the Vulcan/Human binary, and they forced Spock, T'Pring, and Christine to all confront the reality of their relationships (even if all three of them subsequently went into denial about the situation). And even in spite of their manipulations, Angel seemed to genuinely hope Spock might come to a healthier understanding of himself. I think they've got some complexity already, and they're just primed for an anti-hero redemption arc.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or a planet of Captain Jack Harkness. We'll "dance" with anyone.

I'm not sure I agree with that...

I mean, of course acceptance of all manner of orientations/identities will become the norm, but individual people will always have preferences. I doubt it'll be like Brave New World where everyone is supposed to be into everyone.

Even in the future, there'll still be a Kinsey scale.

(indeed, there was even a DSC episode where, upon learning that the Mirror Universe Culber had a thing with MU Georgiou, Stamets kinda goes out of his way to point out that his Culber is gay. He even uses that word.)

 

[fireproof78]

As long as I don't have to see people engaging in coitus I don't really care.

 

[ananta]

In answer to thread title, hell NO. It was my least favourite performance of the season by a mile in my least favourite episode.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Heh ... was one of my favorite guest performances of the season. I would definitely welcome more Captain Angel.

In any event, more Captain Angel would be way more entertaining and engaging and even thought-provoking than another empty-uniform performance from Kirk.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Very in keeping with the OTT type stuff we see from "villains" like Harry Mudd, Q, Trelane and others. Bring 'em back.

 

[Mudd]

Keitel was brilliant, and a good match for Spock.

Largely uncommented upon but appreciated was Spock's understated response to being played emotionally. Not a lot of ego there.

 

[dupersuper]

Keitel was brilliant, and a good match for Spock.

Largely uncommented upon but appreciated was Spock's understated response to being played emotionally. Not a lot of ego there.

He has no ego to bruise...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

The episode was practically doing everything except giving the title and airdate of Captain Angel's next appearance, so I'm sure we'll see her again. I'm not particularly looking forward to it, though, as I thought that Jesse James Keitel really overacted in "The Serene Squall." I'm not very eager to see

Spoiler

Sybok

again, either. I'd prefer to just quietly forget about him.

 

[Sci]

The episode was practically doing everything except giving the title and airdate of Captain Angel's next appearance, so I'm sure we'll see her again.

"Them" again. Captain Angel is nonbinary, though Jesse James Keitel is a trans woman.

I'm not particularly looking forward to it, though, as I thought that Jesse James Keitel really overacted in "The Serene Squall."

I thought her performance was pitch perfect.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

"Them" again. Captain Angel is nonbinary, though Jesse James Keitel is a trans woman.

JJK's entry on Memory Alpha said her pronouns were she/her, so I assumed the same applied to her character.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Angel was fine, but I'd rather see the crew deal with Disco's psychotic version of Mudd more.

And of course Sybok. But most of all I want a Young Spock show, basically Young Sheldon but in the Sarek household with Michael, Sybok, Amanda and Sarek. And lots of chaos.

 

[Nyotarules]

Hopefully there will be less ham in the acting

 

[Mudd]

Angel was fine, but I'd rather see the crew deal with Disco's psychotic version of Mudd more.
.

STD can keep that shit.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Frankly, I think an inter-species coupling is way farther out there compared to any particular combination of sexual orientations. No matter where on the LGBTQ/straight spectrum two humans lie, they're still the same species. Once you're banging someone of an entirely different planetary origin, it really stops mattering what their preferred naughty bits and chromosomes happen to be.

 

[Sci]

Hopefully there will less ham in the acting

No. More ham, please. Lots of ham and cheese. Fill the scenery with it to be chewed gloriously. I'm paying good money to watch this show, and I don't want to pay to see an actor go under the top.

 

[fireproof78]

Just bring in a new character. Strange and new.

 

[Tuskin38]

JJK's entry on Memory Alpha said her pronouns were she/her, so I assumed the same applied to her character.

The episode itself used they/them for the character.