I don't mind the opinion. I just want to know what the standard is. In case I should be embarrassed more often.
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As opposed to conform or die?
This is silly. Not the least of which because you don’t speak for “everyone else.” I mean, of all the cockamamie…
You're right. I was pressed for time in trying to find an appropriate meme. This might suit better.
Better?
You? Gadzooks, you should be embarrassed all the time.
It's unfortunate that such glimpses are so few and far between. Even so, it looks a bit too matte in these shots, but that might not be the ship, just the screen grab. Even the windows aren't lit up. I like the pearlescent TMP especially, but, again, both TOS and the movies showed a brighter ship, whether it lit itself by future material use or special lighting.Another nice lighting shot showing how light the hull is. I think they made it lighter since DSC Season 2.
Excuse me? What does stating my opinion about the ship have to do with you? It looks to me like you're picking a fight because you don't like that, what, we feel differently about the design? Move along, before I go looking for memes.You're right. I was pressed for time in trying to find an appropriate meme. This might suit better.
Better?
I use to be. Then I started taking these pills...? Gadzooks, you should be embarrassed all the time.
One thing that kinda popped up to me (most of my observations tend towards 'huh, weird' and 'to each their own', and of course, 'your mileage may vary') was the relative size of the new shuttles. When Kirk takes off, the shuttle looks like it barely would fit in that shuttlebay!
Of course, showing it in the 'correct' size would probably make it too small for dramatic purposes
Of course, showing it in the 'correct' size would probably make it too small for dramatic purposes
It's your assertion that someone should be embarrassed over a design element of the Enterprise. It reaks of pretentiousness. You could simply point out you don't like something and you're welcome to that opinion... but to say someone should be embarrassed for liking the design, as clearly many do, doesn't sit with me. Frankly, it's an embarrassing opinion to have.
Maybe it would be nice if people didn't tell people to be or not be embarrassed. That's a pretty powerful emotion that can have a negative impact on a person.
Unless I was among the few Trek fans made to feel embarrassed for liking Trek.
I was bullied and made to feel embarrassed as a child for liking Star Trek. It was the 80's/early 90's and I grew up in a very small town. To say sci-fi was unpopular, would be an understatement. So now, to see someone using such terms, might set me off a little. Like what you like, dislike what you dislike. But saying that someone, even a designer in this case, should be embarrassed over something, anything really. Nope. Fuck that. Take that attitude and shove it.Maybe it would be nice if people didn't tell people to be or not be embarrassed. That's a pretty powerful emotion that can have a negative impact on a person.
Unless I was among the few Trek fans made to feel embarrassed for liking Trek.
I’ll own up to my pretentiousness if that’s what this is. Some designs are worse than others and I don’t think saying that is purely subjective, not to individual tastes alone anyway. Are there bullies in this world? Yes, but what they do should not continue to affect us.
From what I can tell, you spend most of your time here micro agressing, dare I say bullying, under and above the radar of the mods. Pot, look in the mirror.Maybe it would be nice if people didn't tell people to be or not be embarrassed. That's a pretty powerful emotion that can have a negative impact on a person.
Unless I was among the few Trek fans made to feel embarrassed for liking Trek.
Nah, a designer puts their work out for public praise and yes criticism, and not everything they put out should be received with equal praise. How would they ever really know what people think, or engage in meaningful dialogue with the audience?
Christ, so I have to say that I’m not a nuTrek hater for it’s own sake? If that were the case I could have pinned my 95 theses like Martin Luther to the Cathedral and tore it apart for the sake of tearing it apart.
And I don’t think that I should post one compliment for every criticism so that we don’t subsequently have to engage in discussions like this. Even though I have plenty. Heck, I even ended my first post with a nod that I was okay with new designers taking major departures from the original (which I really like) for their own sakes, as I took the time to give my opinion for my own.
Anyway, here’s a change I wish they did make: I rather like the look of the ship at times when it looks a bit golden, a bit like the Discovery early on. I wouldn’t have minded if they gave the ship a bit of a metallic gold sheen during this period. Always thought it was a little steampunky on DSC. Wouldn’t make sense, but it would look kinda cool regardless, I think.
Telling people to be embarrassed is confusing as fuck. It implies a standard that I don't know. And I would love clarification rather than being told how to feel about things. So, if that's microaggressing then by all means please report me. I just want some clarification on opinions.
Let me be clear, to the point of near rudeness (or aggression?): My only point of contention is stating that the designer should be embarrassed by the design. I do not understand WHY. That's all I want to know.
The SNW Enterprise is okay, but I don't love it. Overall it feels a bit too busy and clunky to me - I'm more in the streamlining camp. In order of how much they bug me:
A recent example is Hunter-G's:
According to Trekyards (yeah, I know, I don't normally watch their stuff either), at least the overly-shiny, metallic look of the SNW Enterprise was added without the approval of the designers. Seems far-fetched, but who knows.
- All the extra do-dads and pointy tips added to the nacelles
- The over-tapered shuttle bay with its long lip
- The split pylons
- The red stripe along the secondary hull apparently now physically formed into the metal itself
- Having gone a bit overboard on the 'metallic plating' look
A recent example is Hunter-G's:
According to Trekyards (yeah, I know, I don't normally watch their stuff either), at least the overly-shiny, metallic look of the SNW Enterprise was added without the approval of the designers. Seems far-fetched, but who knows.
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You can criticize without insulting.
Interesting design. Really plain but clean. Fascinating idea. I definitely can see the idea of Jefferies taking some inspiration from rockets with this look.The SNW is okay, but I don't love it. Overall it feels a bit too busy and clunky to me - I'm more in the streamlining camp. In order of how much they bug me:
Still, I don't hate it. I've just seen stuff I've liked better. Some of it has been done by forum members here.
- All the extra do-dads and pointy tips added to the nacelles
- The over-tapered shuttle bay with its long lip
- The split pylons
- The red stripe along the secondary hull apparently now physically formed into the metal itself
- Having gone a bit overboard on the 'metallic plating' look
A recent example is Hunter-G's:
Too on the nose, "Fireproof"?Telling people to be embarrassed is confusing as fuck. It implies a standard that I don't know. And I would love clarification rather than being told how to feel about things. So, if that's microaggressing then by all means please report me. I just want some clarification on opinions.
Also, you end an inordinate amount of posts with that emoji, like, "I dunno, maybe it's just you."
No, it's really not.
Your track record suggests otherwise, and because of it, I don't feel like engaging with you tonight.
I came back to say that I watched the episode again (in prep for the Trek Zoom tomorrow which you were invited to previously but didn't join – pity. Any and everyone else is invited too BTW, check General Discussion around 4 PM BST for the link), and to point out that there are only 3, not 4, distinct 23rd Century Romulan ships, as I wondered before. The Bird of Prey, the large V-shaped or X-shaped command(?) ship, and the sharp wedge beaked shaped "battlecruisers." The open beaked ship that fired the plasma torpedo was in fact the front of the large command ship, which is clearer in the episode than in blurry screen grabs.
If I were really trying to be insulting I would have come up with elaborate metaphors and done so with verve and gusto.
This,..
And needs a separate bridge dome
Oh my! Lots of heated banter over who should be embarrassed about what and such here. Reminds me of when my wife calls Star Trek my "Noddy shows" (referencing Noddy and Big Ears), and then I say her soap operas are silly, and then she says my mum dresses me funny, and then I say our cats like me better, and then she says cats aren't fussed about poor fashion choices, and..., and..., and....
But then we have a cup of tea and a laugh.
I highly recommend it.
Also, I'm a big fan of Hunter G starship designs (even my wife can't find fault with them)
But then we have a cup of tea and a laugh.
I highly recommend it.
Also, I'm a big fan of Hunter G starship designs (even my wife can't find fault with them)
I know certain people here kept and keep posting on about how all the changes are not only good, but necessary and important.... and then they admitted they didn't even see the differences
I even once showed some fans a picture of the TOS and the Discoprise next to each other, and the first comment was: "So... what are we looking at here...?"
The Briar Patch
It has a beautiful shiny colorful reflection on the hull in one scene in the intro - but only there
The SNW Enterprise is okay, but I don't love it. Overall it feels a bit too busy and clunky to me - I'm more in the streamlining camp. In order of how much they bug me:
Still, I don't hate it. I've just seen stuff I've liked better. Some of it has been done by forum members here.
- All the extra do-dads and pointy tips added to the nacelles
- The over-tapered shuttle bay with its long lip
- The split pylons
- The red stripe along the secondary hull apparently now physically formed into the metal itself
- Having gone a bit overboard on the 'metallic plating' look
A recent example is Hunter-G's:
One thing I do think would have been fun is if the 2266 Enterprise in the latest episode had looked slightly different, ideally with this kind of gleaming, smooth hull. You wouldn't have had to change anything else about the ship, but it would immediately have been visually distinctive and indicated the passage of time.
But in general I've been in awe of the design on SNW. The Enterprise looks great, the sets are fantastic and the uniforms/props are beautiful updates on the sixties originals.
One thing I do value and respect about the current crop of Star Trek series is that they've largely avoided slavishly repeating the past. Star Wars seems to have an obsession with precisely copying the choices made in the 1970s, including the use of deepfakes to bring back dead actors.
That's a valid approach, but I prefer the route Trek has taken to recast and reimagine along the way. They don't always get it right - the jury is out on Paul Wesley's Kirk for example - but I'd rather that than a distracting uncanny valley CGI Shatner. It's the same with the ships and sets, I'm happy to see this creative team's take.
I used to be very concerned with continuity and how everything had to be consistent and fit together. Now I'm past that. It's a big universe and there's room for many different takes on the material to keep it fresh, not stuck in amber.
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