I don't see how it doesn't. I don't care how much I like a character I do not want them to be safe and secure and predictable "Oh, they won't die because they are a primary/favorite character." No thanks.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"
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They’re already pretty safe and secure in a “Death in this genre is rarely permanent” sort of way.
Then
why do they even have a main cast list??. They had killed off two characters earlier in the episode and if they needed a third to drive home the fact that they are not safe...there were better ones to choose from like Kyle...
Hemmer was not in every episode to start with and they barely explored his background.. a stupid waste of a good character for attempted shock value. Which at this point it's no shock to kill off regulars since they keep doing it...lol..
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They can't kill Kyle, he's in TOS.
Nope. I have decided hes a different Kyle. He has had a handful of scenes. Next for the chopping block....
You don't get to decide that.
You've so far been unable to address the difficulties I enumerated for such royalties on programming code. If you agree with those difficulties I mentioned, you have then been unable to explain the distinction between such code and fictional characters which would justify legislating them differently.
In fact you've simply ignored several of my points, and called them ridiculous without explaining why. And now you've stooped to inventing motivations for me, something I haven't done to you, and which you are yet to apologise for. This indicates either frustration, which is unwarranted since I've only attacked your points and not your person, or the realisation that your position is weak -- which I'm more sympathetic to.
I think you'd find that my opinions on the rich are probably quite aligned with yours, perhaps even more radical. In fact, I'm of the opinion that efforts by the well-off to keep their privileges are the root cause of most human conflict and suffering. That's why my arguments here have nothing to do with wealth, but with free association and the ability to choose. You are correct that some contracts/agreements are done under duress, but the solution is not to prevent people from making decisions. The solution is to prosecute abuse.
You call what I say unrealistic, even though I've given you real examples. That's unfair given the effort I've made to explain my position to you.
But here's another example: when my parents got married in the late 60s my mother took my father's family name, as was the norm back then. When my wife and I got married (10 years ago this year) my wife, who expected and wanted to take my name, found out that, in the Canadian province of Quebec, she can't. The government, in order to protect women from abuse, has removed her ability to choose for herself whether or not she wanted to take my name, or me hers. I disagree with that decision. My argument against your suggestion here stems from the same logic, in addition to the argument from complexity.
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Are the Gorn not made of normal atoms and molecules? That their eggs can't be detected by transporters goes beyond any realistic fictional science and basically into magical territory just to emphasize the incurable nature of egg implantation.
Last I checked, if it isn't on screen then it isn't canon. Nothing ties this Kyle to TOS Kyle any more than Enterprise's Krell to TOS Krell. And I say this as an Asian myself. There's no attempt to make the characters look similar. Last I checked, Spock was listed as having married in the official Star Trek website https://www.startrek.com/database_article/spock and this still isn't accepted as canon even though the website is run by CBS/Paramount.
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Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I've decided that this Kyle is the same guy as the transporter assistant tech who briefly appeared in "The Cage" and didn't even have any lines of dialog. 58 years later and he finally has more stuff to do and say!
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I haven't kept a close eye on this thread, so I don't know if this was posted already re: the Gorn. Episode writer Davy Perez commented on how these Gorn fit in with the depiction from "Arena" in this Inverse article: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/strange-new-worlds-gorn
This was basically the idea I had somewhere further back in this thread, that Kirk's description as "the creature the Metrons called a Gorn" could allow for some wiggle room as he may have had a different idea of what the Gorn were.
Kor
Yeah, thread drift is a natural part of message board conversations. But don't you dare go off-topic in one of the game threads! The participants take those really seriously.Yeah... but if we did that every time a side conversation gets started, we'd multiply the number of threads on this forum by about 100.
Edit to add:
I haven't kept a close eye on this thread, so I don't know if this was posted already re: the Gorn. Episode writer Davy Perez commented on how these Gorn fit in with the depiction from "Arena" in this Inverse article: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/strange-new-worlds-gorn
Davy Perez said:
This was basically the idea I had somewhere further back in this thread, that Kirk's description as "the creature the Metrons called a Gorn" could allow for some wiggle room as he may have had a different idea of what the Gorn were.
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Trek tech is weird.
You don't get to decide that
I'm Asian and I've yet to see onscreen evidence or even official website confirmation that they're the same character. Otherwise, we might as well say that Krell in Enterprise and TOS are the same, especially as he ended up infected with the augment virus in Enterprise and Klingons have long lifespans.
Until https://www.startrek.com/database_article/kyle is updated with Andre Dae Kim's picture or Kyle gets a flashforward to a TOS scene via time crystal or something, it's not anyone else's place to say the Kyles are the same either unless they get it onscreen. Even Gene Roddenberry outright said Will Decker was the son of Matt Decker in TMP novelization, and that's not accepted as hard canon.
The episode itself commented on the Gorn eggs not being detectable.
M'Benga: "The Gorn's biological makeup renders them invisible to all of our sensors. A genetic chameleon."
It wouldn't be the first time in the franchise that something made it through the transport process, that 'should have been' caught. I have to mentally step through the plot of TWOK again, but I'm pretty sure Ceti Eels are an example.
I've seen some speculation on other sites that this type of Gorn might be basically a genetically engineered bioweapon. That could explain some things.
Kor
M'Benga: "The Gorn's biological makeup renders them invisible to all of our sensors. A genetic chameleon."
It wouldn't be the first time in the franchise that something made it through the transport process, that 'should have been' caught. I have to mentally step through the plot of TWOK again, but I'm pretty sure Ceti Eels are an example.
I've seen some speculation on other sites that this type of Gorn might be basically a genetically engineered bioweapon. That could explain some things.
Kor
it’s mentioned in the episode: something about the embrio’s cells mimicking the host, making them hard to find on scanners.
That doesn't change what I said.
I think Occam's Razor means the simplest solution is the most correct. So barring Kyle dyeing his hair blonde and getting surgery to look more western (and I'm sad to say that fellow Asians have indeed done the latter, rumors are Jackie Chan and other Asian celebrities) I think we as an audience can assume they are different. In any case, look at the condescending tone of these posts, twice people said "You don't get to decide that" with the implication that it's already decided the Kyles are the same when there is no onscreen evidence.
At the end of the day, the matter is unsettled unless it's onscreen or CBS is free to update Kyle's official databank website entry any time they want.
Technically, she can. It’s just very expensive.