Spoilers Season 3 wild speculation

[fireproof78]

Bryan Fuller can't fully get his side out due to an NDA. So he could have legitimately done a bad job... or just been outplayed.

His history with mismanagement with other projects was also reported. At some point there is something more going on, for whatever reason.

well you just loose me

I got lost from TMP. So, I had to appreciate the art as presented, rather than trying to strictly treat it as literal history.

 

[Tuskin38]

That said, the same people then proceeded to purge Trek greats Nicholas Meyer and Joe Menosky, along with non-ST but genre experienced Aron Eli Coleite and Jesse Alexander,

'purged' is awfully aggressive. How do you know they didn't just leave? maybe they were just not happy there.

 

[bdub76]

If this is the last season of PIC, then the show might take the opportunity to close some threads left open in the original TNG series. If Will is in it, then we can see some closure on his time on TNG.

 

[Tuskin38]

If this is the last season of PIC… If Will is in it, then we can see some closure on his time on TNG.

No ‘if’ here, it has been confirmed to be the final season.

Wil said he isn’t in Season 3.

 

[bdub76]

No ‘if’ here, it has been confirmed to be the final season.

Wil said he isn’t in Season 3.

Then, what loose ends from TNG would be worthwhile finishing up?

 

[The Wormhole]

What "loose ends" does TNG even have?

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

We never found out what happened to Ensign Rager in the prime timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

What "loose ends" does TNG even have?

How the poker game ended.

 

[James Cole]

'purged' is awfully aggressive. How do you know they didn't just leave? maybe they were just not happy there.

Ok fair enough on the diction haha. In the Inglorious Treksperts podcast, Alexander and Coleite basically said their deals were up and the production couldn't afford them... but then several new co-executive producers came on staff... Also, it's been established that Nicholas Meyer took his name off the "Battle of the Binary Stars" and might have been out the same time as Fuller.

I guess the way I view the beginning of Discovery is a what might have been. There are glipses of something much more in the first 7-8 episodes, then it drops during the mirror arc, then falls of a cliff once they get back with the time jump.

It seems like higher ups at Paramount may have wanted a course correction, and Picard Season 3 could be it...

 

[The Wormhole]

There are glipses of something much more in the first 7-8 episodes, then it drops during the mirror arc,

The Mirror arc was always part of Fuller's season 1 plan. In fact, he wanted to do it much sooner, in the fifth episode.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Mirror arc was always part of Fuller's season 1 plan. In fact, he wanted to do it much sooner, in the fifth episode.

It wasn’t the normal mirror universe. It was a going to be a universe very close to prime where something different happened at the Binary Stars

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-discovery-mirror-universe-bryan-fuller/

 

[James Cole]

It wasn’t the normal mirror universe. It was a going to be a universe very close to prime where something different happened at the Binary Stars

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-discovery-mirror-universe-bryan-fuller/

I know the odds of this are low, but it would be awesome if after Kurtzman's STD* finishes, either Bryan Fuller or one of the established Star Trek novelists could adapt the original Discovery scripts and outlines into a novel.

 

[fireproof78]

I would be curious to know what Fuller had intended for Discovery to progress.

 

[Tuskin38]

There was a Discovery Novel which showed a Timeline where Burnham decided not to mutiny and the war never happened.

 

[donners22]

That said, the same people then proceeded to purge Trek greats Nicholas Meyer and Joe Menosky, along with non-ST but genre experienced Aron Eli Coleite and Jesse Alexander, and replace them with writers from Revenge and Good Christian Bitches. And then CW vampire shows. Well if it had been people from The 100 or Nikita...

I recall a Trek show which "purged" Trek greats like David Gerrold and DC Fontana, and relied largely on rookies and a network suit. It turned out okay.

It's one to hand wave say the dialogue stating the massive distances covered in "That Which Survives", handwave the Galactic Barrier and the Great Barrier as both not literally being either at the very edge or very center of the galaxy, file James R Kirk under an in-joke between Kirk and Mitchell, and all the UESPA, Star Service stuff as Starfleet and the Federation as institutions were developed. Also, letting go of production errors like the deck count of the Enterprise-A in TFF, or rank pips. But it's something else to basically have the premise that the camera itself is consistently an unreliable narrator. To say ~ALL~ of TOS didn't reliably happen, especially when callbacks to TOS have been key plot points in other series. Where had you seen TOS, you could see what was coming. TNG, DS9, and ENT have all shown 2260s era Constitution class starships. So does that mean that the camera is an unreliable narrator there as well?

What is shown on screen is merely a convenience for the viewer rather than a completely accurate depiction of what is occurring, and funnily enough one of your Trek greats established it conclusively. In The Undiscovered Country Chang is speaking Klingon in the trial which is being translated for Kirk and McCoy; the camera pans around and suddenly he's speaking English. We're meant to understand that he's still speaking Klingon - his line about not waiting for translation makes no sense otherwise - but it's presented in English for our convenience.

I don't see how someone could, in good faith, accept the numerous stark visual inconsistencies (recasting, change of alien appearance, etc) and outright contradictions and retcons in canon (Spock stating the Eugenics Wars were Earth's last world war, the Borg Queen being retrospectively inserted into BoBW, etc) in oldTrek, yet reject it when it's done by the modern series.

 

[Lord Garth]

Back on the original topic... Star Trek: Picard Season 3 and Crazy Speculation about it. I've been thinking about what TOS Movies that PIC Season 3 can be influenced by and to what extent.

GEN? Technically not a TOS Movie, but I'll include it anyway. I expect there to be a new Enterprise that isn't Picard's. I also expect Picard, like Kirk, to wonder about the path not taken.

TUC? Picard never felt the animosity towards the Romulans that Kirk felt with the Klingons. So I don't see them going to that film. Except for maybe the possibility that Riker has his own command, much like Sulu had his own command.

TFF? While I like TFF, I can't see Terry Matalas modeling anything after the least liked of the original Trek Movies.

TVH? They just did that with Picard Season 2.

TSFS? They kind of already did this with Picard Season 1. Picard goes on a mission to find Soji, who's the last link he knows of to Data. Someone who's death he hasn't made peace with because he feels survivor's guilt.

TWOK? Maybe not the villain wanting revenge after X years, since I think it's supposed to be a new character. But definitely the idea that the crew have all moved on with their lives. Definitely Picard working at the Academy, dealing with Cadets. Maybe he's not fully satisfied with life as Chancellor of Starfleet Academy.

TMP? They just did that with Discovery Season 4.

So I'm thinking PIC Season 3 will have elements from TWOK, TUC, and GEN, but the actual story will be about something else. Something rooted from somewhere in TNG.

What "loose ends" does TNG even have?

I don't know off the top of my head, but now I'm wondering about that too... so, Challenge Accepted. There are probably some things I could list off if I think about it at a time that's not right now.

 

[James Cole]

RMB did a mini-podcast and stated there was pressure for change regarding Picard from high up people not from CBS or Paramount, after they were especially unhappy with season 2. Maybe Amazon, who are likely footing a high portion of the production budget? If so, that could indicate a pivot could take place within Lower Decks as well.

Maybe the leaker was with Amazon?

 

[Danja]

RMB did a mini-podcast and stated there was pressure for change regarding Picard from high up people not from CBS or Paramount, after they were especially unhappy with season 2. Maybe Amazon, who are likely footing a high portion of the production budget? If so, that could indicate a pivot could take place within Lower Decks as well.

Maybe the leaker was with Amazon?

What kind of changes?

 

[fireproof78]

RMB did a mini-podcast and stated there was pressure for change regarding Picard from high up people not from CBS or Paramount, after they were especially unhappy with season 2. Maybe Amazon, who are likely footing a high portion of the production budget? If so, that could indicate a pivot could take place within Lower Decks as well.

Maybe the leaker was with Amazon?

Unless there is a source for this information I highly doubt there is much to it. Rumor at best.

 

[Yistaan]

I wonder if Worf will have white hair like in All Good Things, especially as Picard Season 3 is already something like 7 years after AGT's timeframe.