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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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ThreeEdgedSword said:
I'll take your word for it. I mean, I never thought he hated his wife or offspring, just that he had some serious unresolved issues!

My larger point, however, was that Amanda apparently completely adapted to Sarek's ... lifestyle/ life and that is fine if it's what she wanted, but shouldn't be a blueprint for every woman in a heterosexual relationship.
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She isn't a real person, and she can't "want" anything. What she was depicted as doing was a reflection of the writers, and what they wanted.

As much as I love Spock and his issues with his dual heritage, the portrayal of his human mother's heritage being less important than his father's heritage is very much a reflection of the 1960s view towards women. The movies did slightly better, and DISCO tried to say that she was sharing her heritage, too. But even in DISCO, she is so subservient to her husband that she allows him to completetely screw up a human child by trying to force it to be Vulcan.

At the end of the day, I'd take a full reboot of the relationship between Spock, his mother, and his father to better explain his issues beyond "all of Amanda's culture and heritage were suppressed by her husband and she was cool with that."
 
Wait... the characters aren't real and reflect the writers and the times and prejudices they live in? Whew, thanks for enlightening me.
 
ThreeEdgedSword said:
I'll take your word for it. I mean, I never thought he hated his wife or offspring, just that he had some serious unresolved issues!

My larger point, however, was that Amanda apparently completely adapted to Sarek's ... lifestyle/ life and that is fine if it's what she wanted, but shouldn't be a blueprint for every woman in a heterosexual relationship.
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By the way, is your name a reference to Babylon 5?
 
(cut scene from Galileo Seven)

Boma: I heard the story about the Enterprise's last chief engineer. You didn't even bother to obtain the body to bury Hemmer did you Mr. Spock?

Spock: :mad:
 
Gary Bitchell said:
She isn't a real person, and she can't "want" anything. What she was depicted as doing was a reflection of the writers, and what they wanted.

As much as I love Spock and his issues with his dual heritage, the portrayal of his human mother's heritage being less important than his father's heritage is very much a reflection of the 1960s view towards women. The movies did slightly better, and DISCO tried to say that she was sharing her heritage, too. But even in DISCO, she is so subservient to her husband that she allows him to completetely screw up a human child by trying to force it to be Vulcan.

At the end of the day, I'd take a full reboot of the relationship between Spock, his mother, and his father to better explain his issues beyond "all of Amanda's culture and heritage were suppressed by her husband and she was cool with that."
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We aren't dealing with earth only. Vulcan is an alien planet and culture so your 1960s argument really doesn't hold water even today. Vulcan is not earth.
 
Chief Kyle is mentioned in the closing credits, but I don't recall actually seeing him in the episode. Which scene was he supposed to be in? :confused:
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Chief Kyle is mentioned in the closing credits, but I don't recall actually seeing him in the episode. Which scene was he supposed to be in? :confused:
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He was in the background at the funeral
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Nice to see Kyle gets invited to the senior officers' wake. I guess Transporter Chief must be somewhere in the Top Dozen departments on the ship.
 
Pubert said:
We aren't dealing with earth only. Vulcan is an alien planet and culture so your 1960s argument really doesn't hold water even today. Vulcan is not earth.
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It was written by people in the 1960s so any bias they had would be imprinted onto it. Just like how Starfleet in TOS has several features that seemed fine in the 60s but aged like milk and was ignored by every other series. For example TOS had an episode that was dependent on the notion that women weren't allowed to be starship captains. It's completely sexist and it's been rightfully ignored ever since.
 
Pubert said:
We aren't dealing with earth only. Vulcan is an alien planet and culture so your 1960s argument really doesn't hold water even today. Vulcan is not earth.
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That's why you never see a Vulcan salute on Earth unless it is related to Star Trek...
 
Awesome Possum said:
It was written by people in the 1960s so any bias they had would be imprinted onto it. Just like how Starfleet in TOS has several features that seemed fine in the 60s but aged like milk and was ignored by every other series. For example TOS had an episode that was dependent on the notion that women weren't allowed to be starship captains. It's completely sexist and it's been rightfully ignored ever since.
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That was within starfleet which is human based so yeah it don't age well. The Vulcans are another issue because they are alien as is the culture.
 
Pubert said:
You both putting your ideals on another culture. Sorry but Vulcans are Vulcans. Did you expect every good alien race created on star trek to follow human ideals exactly? Come on man.
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No, I expect a fictional alien race to be understandable by humans.

Also, we humans use the same hand gesture for different meanings:
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