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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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UHURA: Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia! That never gets old, does it?
CHIA: Yes it does. Go away.


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SPOCK: Captain, why do I always have to do the dishes on Soup Kitchen Night?

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PIKE: The secret ingredient is Gorngonzola cheese.

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PIKE: Jeezus Palomino! It's Godzilla! Get us the hell out of here!


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CHAPEL: Both intact. Very good. Just what I need...

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CHAPEL: One eye of Newt for the cauldron...

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HEMMER: I am just going outside and may be some time.


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HEMMER: Don't cry for me Andoria. The truth is I never left you.

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HEMMER: Take the Nestea Plunge! Refreshing!
 
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You made the rules. if you dont like kelvinverse because it did not feel close to canon or did not feel like canon, you cannot now say SNW should stay away from canon because SNW is factually a prime canon prequel. You should factually hold SNW in a higher responsibility in sticking to canon.

Hypocrisy always tend to show you are on the wrong side of the argument.

You are responding there to somebody who likes the Kelvinverse....

I'm not sure where you got the notion that the exact same people who don't like the Kelvin movies for being different from TOS are the same people who like SNW for being different from TOS (way to generalize). Or why you continue to repeat this point ad nauseum. But, to each his own. :shrug:

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It has tos stick to canon because that is what was planned and that is what has been built on. if the show , when announced said this is a full reboot in an alternate reality like the kelvin verse, than canon would not matter.

Continuity only matters insofar as it increases suspension of disbelief and adds depth to the story being told.

I swear, there is something strange here on this board, if I did not know better i would say many people here are kurtzman and godsman plants and paramount plus PR gurus

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I wish! Pretty sure my bank account would be in better shape if I were!

or the myth of how people give the pretty white blonde girl character a pass must be true and don't apply the same rules they set for other characters.

I'm not sure what you mean by "don't apply the same rules they set for other characters." I don't think Christine and Spock dating in 2259 is any bigger continuity issue than Michael being Spock's adopted sister, for instance.

You people are the same folks that gave the kelvin films a hard time even though that series is not prime canon

So my name is Sci, and I've been posting on the TrekBBS for going on 20 years now. I've defended the Kelvin Timeline films many times from people whining about its supposed continuity issues.

No I am not going to let that kind of inconsistency slide after all the hate that has shown to kelvinverse.

What if I told you I love SNW and the Kelvin Timeline, and that I think continuity issues shouldn't bind either of them?

No, there will be big Issue if they go too far with spock and chapel, this will create more continuity issue than even Michael Burnham because at least Michael we can argue she was classified and spock never saw her again. Spock gets to see Chapel every day and not once did Spock even return her feelings, if this was a lost love there will be some traces or some signs that something happened but TOS never showed that from Spock POV. TOS Spock never even understood Chapel or knew her well enough in TOS. He found mot of her crush on him behaviour odd.

I really don't think their relationship was developed well enough in TOS to defend that argument.

But also I'm kind of okay with declaring that TOS is in its own continuity and that SNW and the rest of Trek is no longer bound by all of the details from TOS.

Seriously I am kind of shocked by how much Chapel seems to be getting a pass here, when she is been written worse than her TOS self

Pure nonsense. The Chapel of SNW is a far richer, more three-dimensional, well-realized character than the Chapel of TOS. The Chapel of TOS got to have a personality for about four minutes out of the entire series.

Taking advantage of a situation to come onto him.

She didn't come onto him.

Her face on her hands that is not a friend thing.

No, it's a "someone-I-care-about-is-in-pain-and-I-am-trying-to-help-them" thing.

Chapel should not have done that because Spock is engaged to Tpring. She crossed a line that is why it is over the top because she is not respecting boundaries.

No one crossed a line. She offered him comfort in a moment of emotional pain. Then when the hug ended, they both realized that there was an attraction there which was separate and distinct from their friendship. They both froze, and then Spock moved away. They both walked right up to the line, but neither one crossed it.

which is very odd because considering episode 7 when she says she knows were she stands with him. So Chapel is written to be obsessed here.

No. She's written as a caring person who is trying to help someone in pain, and who is realizing she has to deal with having feelings for that person. That is not obsession, and your description is absurd.

I think she wanted Spock to kiss her

They both realized they wanted to kiss each other after the hug ended, and they both refused to act on that desire.

that is why she had his hand in his face.

No. She touched her hands to his face because she is a very tactile person who was trying to comfort a friend in pain. She would have done the same for any friend.

She was egging him on hence her disappointment on her face as she watched him go.

Absolutely not. You are ascribing a level of manipulativeness and selfishness to her behavior that is completely unsupported by either dialogue or the actor's performance. She wasn't "egging him on." She was clearly caught by surprise by her own feelings. She and Spock both froze -- neither one was willing to act on the attraction they both realized they were feeling after the hug. Then Spock left. Her look afterwards is one of pain at the realization she has serious feelings for a man who is in a relationship, not disappointment that Spock did not cheat on T'Pring with her.

Sorry that will be a TAS Episode, cant remember the name but she uses a love portion on Spock.

Yeah, I do not give a shit about anything that happened in TAS.

Chapel is the worst female on the show

In my experience, there is a high correlation between men using the word "female" as a noun and men dehumanizing women.

I strongly suggest you not use "female" when "woman" would suffice.

Also, why are you attacking Christine? She's not the one who has chosen to stay in a relationship she knows cannot last, and she is not the one hiding her true feelings from her fiance. If anyone deserves to be attacked, it's Spock.

(To be clear, neither of them deserve to be attacked. In real life, sometimes people fall out of love while they're still in relationships, and sometimes people fall in love with someone outside of their relationships. That doesn't make them bad people.)

and she is lucky she is the pretty white girl because if things were different I doubt fans will be giving her a pass so easily.

Oh, don't worry, some fans will always find an excuse to dehumanize and demonize women.

Finally yes SNW is Discovery 2.0 because Hammer is now the Airiam of Discovery.

I see nothing in common except that both died.

I find it badly hilarious that Spock in this Nu trek TV show era, has ''mourned'' the loss of two characters he was barely close too.

It's almost like Spock is more empathetic and caring than he lets on.
 
TOS itself added rooms to the Enterprise, a second slot viewer to the bridge, replaced the main viewscreen, got rid of gooseneck station viewers, changed door colors, the size and shape of the Captain's quarters from "The Cage" to the regular series, didn't even add shuttlecraft until halfway through the first season, changed uniforms at least twice in 80 episodes and even removed nacelle spikes, a taller bridge module and a larger deflector dish from the Enterprise.

Trek changes so much within individual series that it can sometimes be jarring.
Not to mention changing the combination to Kirk’s safe between the first season and the third.
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The transporter room also switched consoles from the two Pilots to the regular series, Sickbay added the adjacent lab with equipment in Season 2 and the shirts stopped being velour in Season 3. :)
 
Thing is: it is sticking to canon. This is seven years before we first see Chapel in TOS. That's a lot of time for both her and her relationship with Spock to develop and she also has a fiancee in the mix who won't come into the picture for another year or two.

This may not look like canon to some fans but it is and if this stuff isn't bothering me with my hardcore TOS tendencies then it shouldn't bother others like this.

I dont think some have issues with development, I think some how issue with how it is been developed. it is been developed in a way that I may even argue is now more problematic than spock having a foster sister because at least with michael, she was classified and yes even if it is still far fetched that spock had a sister, you can find some little reason why it was never mentioned....ever.

Chapel unlike Michael is quite woven already in the lore for SNW to change much. let me give you examples.

1. Kirk did not even know spock parents but chapel knows spock's rogue brother

2. Uhura does not know Tpring, but Chapel does now even if in TOS, Spock from some of the conversation he had with Uhura it was implied he knew Uhura better than he ever knew Chapel.

3. Uhura once said, kirk was spock only close friend but in SNW chapel is been written as such a close friend that she can even for a moment take the role of his finance?

This development is contradicting canon. I see some here saying Uhura is a mary sue in SNW , but Chapel is more of the mary sue because she is the character that is breaking canon the most.

Chapel should be more disliked now than Michael but you know why she is not? she is white and michael is black, and I am no Michal fan but the gosh, SNW has really opened my eyes to the subconscious racism in fandom.
 
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Chapel should be more disliked now than Michael but you know why she is not? she is white and michael is not and I am no Michal fan but the gosh, SNW has really opened my eyes to the subconscious racism in fandom.
What the hell are you on about??????
Weren't you the one complaining about Gooding's shorthair and "masculine looks" a few months back?
 
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Again, Star Trek has a long history of doing pastiches of other stories. "Starship Mine" is Die Hard on a spaceship. "Balance of Terror" is The Enemy Below in space. "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" are Seven Days in May with the Federation. "Someone to Watch Over Me" is Pygmalion. "Twilight" has similaritieStars to Momento. "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" is Groundhog Day. "Et in Arcadia Ego" is the Orpheus myth. And there are plenty more.

Great Trek takes from other series but makes it better. Nu Trek never does. One of the bigest problems of Nu Trek is that it has a habbit of trying to steal from others but they dont do it as good.

Remember when Alex Kurtzman thought Picard and Discovery needed swearing and curse word because Game of Thrones do it.

Ortega, she has been called the marvel quip character, the only difference is that whatever quipping Tony Stark , Rocket Racoon or Star Lord does. it works and has charm in that marvel movie setting.

In star trek, it comes of ass desperately trying to be like the cool marvel characters.

Funny enough with Hammer's death, some may have preferred Ortega.
 
I dont think some have issues with development, I think some how issue with how it is been developed. it is been developed in a way that I may even argue is now more problematic than spock having a foster sister because at least with michael, she was classified and yes even if it is still far fetched that spock had a sister, you can find some little reason why it was never mentioned....ever.

Chapel unlike Michael is quite woven already in the lore for SNW to change much. let me give you examples.

1. Kirk did not even know spock parents but chapel knows spock's rogue brother

Yes, Spock is more willing to share personal stuff with Christine in 2259 than he is with Jim later in life. This is not a continuity error; it is called "characterization."

2. Uhura does not know Tpring, but Chapel does now even if in TOS, Spock from some of the conversation he had with Uhura it was implied he knew Uhura better than he ever knew Chapel.

In what sense was it ever implied that Spock knew Nyota better than he ever knew Christine?

3. Uhura once said, kirk was spock only close friend but in SNW chapel is been written as such a close friend that she can even for a moment take the role of his finance?

My dearest and closet friend ten years ago was a woman so close I considered her to be like a sister. For reasons that I do not wish to go into, we are completely estranged now and I have blocked her on all social media.

Relationships can change over time. That's not a continuity error.

This development is contradicting canon. I see some here saying Uhura is a mary sue in SNW , but Chapel is more of the mary sue because she is the character that is breaking canon the most.

That is not the definition of a Mary Sue.

Chapel should be more disliked now than Michael but you know why she is not? she is white and michael is black, and I am no Michal fan but the gosh, SNW has really opened my eyes to the subconscious racism in fandom.

I don't at all disagree with you that there is subconscious racism in fandom, but I for one love both Michael and SNW Christine and see no continuity issue with either of them.
 
I dont think some have issues with development, I think some how issue with how it is been developed. it is been developed in a way that I may even argue is now more problematic than spock having a foster sister because at least with michael, she was classified and yes even if it is still far fetched that spock had a sister, you can find some little reason why it was never mentioned....ever.

Chapel unlike Michael is quite woven already in the lore for SNW to change much. let me give you examples.

1. Kirk did not even know spock parents but chapel knows spock's rogue brother

2. Uhura does not know Tpring, but Chapel does now even if in TOS, Spock from some of the conversation he had with Uhura it was implied he knew Uhura better than he ever knew Chapel.

3. Uhura once said, kirk was spock only close friend but in SNW chapel is been written as such a close friend that she can even for a moment take the role of his finance?

This development is contradicting canon. I see some here saying Uhura is a mary sue in SNW , but Chapel is more of the mary sue because she is the character that is breaking canon the most.

Chapel should be more disliked now than Michael but you know why she is not? she is white and michael is black, and I am no Michal fan but the gosh, SNW has really opened my eyes to the subconscious racism in fandom.

I think that Chapel and Spock will *really* hit it off and have a full on affair, but Spock will mind wipe her using an ancient Vulcan memory suppression technique to make her stop loving him and suppress her emotions.. also hiding the incident from T’Pring, this will explain Chapel’s future interactions with Spock. It will be kind of like the scene in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country where Spock forces himself in to Valeris’s mind to extract information. Spock does not realise though that T’Pring is also cheating on him with Stonn and planning his death… so maybe he would have been better off with Chapel? Chapel could have been the love of his life but circumstance and tradition probably stopped him from developing this true love… he fought against it instead as he wanted to follow tradition and logic. This is *really* tragic if you think about it. I really want to ship Spock and Chapel now but I know it can never work out as the future is written… :wah:
 
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Again, Star Trek has a long history of doing pastiches of other stories. "Starship Mine" is Die Hard on a spaceship. "Balance of Terror" is The Enemy Below in space. "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" are Seven Days in May with the Federation. "Someone to Watch Over Me" is Pygmalion. "Twilight" has similaritieStars to Momento. "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" is Groundhog Day. "Et in Arcadia Ego" is the Orpheus myth. And there are plenty more.

Great Trek takes from other series but makes it better.

Shaka, when the goal posts moved!

Also, sorry, but in none of those examples did Star Trek make it better. "Balance of Terror" is not a better version of The Enemy Below. "Starship Mine" is not a better version of Die Hard. "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is not a better version of Seven Days in May. "Someone to Watch Over Me" is not a better version of Pygmalion. "Twilight" is not a better version of Momento. "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" is not a better version of Groundhog Day. "Et in Arcadia Ego" is not a better version of the Orpheus myth.

Sometimes, it's not about "better" or "worse," it's about doing your own remix because that's what most of art is anyway.

Remember when Alex Kurtzman thought Picard and Discovery needed swearing and curse word because Game of Thrones do it.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Ortega, she has been called the marvel quip character,

This also has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're just whining for the sake of whining.
 
So if a Borg assimilated a Gorn, will they get that ability? Instead of tubules they just spit at you and you start getting assimilated
 
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