Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

No. She still had her Cadet badge and no rank stripes.

 

I'll have to look again. I though she had a regular starfleet arrowhead, and ensigns don't have rank stripes. Or at least they didn't used to.

 

I wonder if there's going to be something of a time jump when we get Season 2. Maybe La'an will have returned by then and Uhura will have graduated the Academy...

 

We may get one next week, we still haven't seen Uhura in this uniform yet

 

That could explain why this episode felt something like a finale and the closure of a chapter, if we jump ahead a bit in time next week...

 

He can play a different chief engineer every season who dies at the end.

 

Wow I'm not sure I've seen a take that cynical for a long time.

Would you rather it went like this? (exaggerated for effect)

Actor: Hi, I'm here to audition for Hemmer.
Producer: Please take a seat, we have wonderful character arc for Hemmer planned this season.
Actor: Hey, that's great! By the way, you should know I'm legally blind.
Producer: I'm sorry, Hemmer dies at the end, and we have a policy against killing off characters played by disabled people. Better luck next time.

 

Alternate universe, caused by time travel, anything can change, is my preference here. If it makes it more fun to watch or the characters more interesting, go ahead. I am enjoying the hell out of the Spock/T’Pring/Chapel triangle and want more of it and possibly a different ending. I liked the hug. There is probably a fair amount about Spock that was never seen on screen

i also hope La’an ends up adopting that kid.

 

I understand it just fine. I just don't agree. I don't think we had nearly enough information in TOS to go "Oh, they never did." As I said, it's a lot of assuming that goes in to these proclamations, and a lot of reading in. For me, this is a Spock who is still finding himself, and will devote himself to duty vs. relationships. And Chapel will have her own struggles with Korby.

I'm not defending SNW because I'm a fan; I find SNW average at best. I just don't see the inconsistencies that others do, beyond obvious visual changes.

 

Please. The Alien movies are huge in contemporary sci-fi. Next week when Ortegas turns out to be part of a galactic mystical order that utilizes, “an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together,” you’ll be saying telekinesis has been around a long time too.

I will try to make my peace with this as I rewatch it eventually, but the cheapness of it is striking. I don’t think I’ve criticized Kurtzman much in the past (not the least of which because of how caustic and delusional some his critics have been), but this era of Trek strikes me like something out of high school. Steal IP, call it homage, wow audiences with it, receive adulation. Like getting your creative writing papers online. Their skill is in working others’ great ideas into canon in creative new ways. Gold stars all around, there.

But they’re not taking an old book or art house movie and bringing it to popular attention. They’re straight up nicking other people’s property instead of coming up with something their own.

This was important. This was seemingly their main baddie for the series/season. And this was the Gorn. Yes, that means something, because it was a Gorn playing video games with Shatner in that commercial 50 years later; it’s the cheesy green Gorn that are iconic and synonymous with TOS/Star Trek — that’s why they were chosen for this series in the first place.

And, again, maybe worst and most “dehumanizing” of all, while making the Gorn Xenomorphs is “cute,” it is the antithesis of the point of “Arena.” Do judge a book by its cover. Make it uglier; no one’s going to read it anyway.

 

For what it's worth that commercial was for the 2013 Star Trek action shooter game that took place between Trek 2009 and Star Trek Into Darkness in the Kelvin Timeline. The Gorn were vicious and super fast, but there wasn't any of the egg laying business that's unique to SNW. And even for an action game, the Gorn were quite killable and the Kelvin Enterprise crew survived a full fledged Gorn invasion, with the Into Darkness movie confirming that "canonically" (for the non-canon game anyway) not a single crew member died.

Kirk's protests in Star Trek Into Darkness that he never lost a single man (presumably in reference to the Gorn invasion of the Enterprise in this game) seem massively more impressive now than it comes off in the film itself.

 

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i get it and like another fan said above, the relationship with chapel has become overblown and yes is going too far away from canon. I am not against spock even having a girl friend when he was young. I mean, I think we will meet Leia Kemoni for sure and Roger Korby is on the way but for them to make Chapel this close to him, even knowing he has a half brother knowing what we know in TOS about their dynamic is what is a little cringe. Jess Bush should have just been a new character and had the romance with Spock.

And yeah, Spock is not so touchy touchy, but we can let this slide since the show has already broken canon with Spock doing a mind meld with Laan, when in TOS it was said he had never done one with a human before.

 

Well it has, and I would love for something like that to be in Trek.

Also, as popular as the Alien franchise is I welcome the cribbing, even if I hate it all at the same time. The Alien franchise is one that I like seeing taken down a peg and if Trek can do "invasion of the body snatchers" with "Conspiracy" then by all means have your stupid alien knock as well.

Until the show ends I will withhold judgement on this particular book.

"Broken canon" eh?

Well, I guess I will live in a fantasy world of enjoying both at the same time, and making peace with whatever inconsistencies happen in the name of entertainment.

I think it fits fine, aside from the meld part which was annoying, but fine. Chapel isn't even close to the most annoying aspect of this show, and I don't see the "cringe" with the relationship since it reminds me of real life. Maybe real life is cringe?

 

No it is not cringe as a stand alone and when you ignore TOS but when you bring in TOS, yeah it is cringe and the whole point of prequels is to make you think of the original series more because that is what it is building up too.

This is the same Spock who will tell her in 10 years that..... your face is wet and not get that she is crying.

I just dont see how that is possible now watching SNW that Spock will say that to her. Also act sometimes quite rude to her, although we know that is just how Vulcans can be. The dynamic of chock in SNW is making that had to believe that he does not know tears and from Chapel. That is just all I am saying.

 

Kirk in TOS was a swashbuckling cowboy who'd violate the Prime Directive just to have a cool story to tell in a senior staff meeting. By TWOK he was a tired, emotionally unfulfilled desk Admiral who was only in his early fifties but felt tired and worn out and had to lose his best friend and come close to losing his ship to feel young again.

Yes, Spock can be like this in 2259 and another way in 2266 and 2267. Time changes people both in real life and fiction.

 

That's what I'm pretty much running with at this point. In many ways, it's just not possible to reconcile this 2022 version of Star Trek with the TOS of the late 1960's. Too much is too different, not just in terms of television production values, but society itself. It's like the difference between watching something like Sands of Iwo Jima, and Saving Private Ryan.

La'an has no other family left, and her duties as a Starfleet officer would seem to preclude this option, given that families are not allowed aboard 23rd Century starfleet vessels. If this was to happen, she'd have to jump through hoops to find a caretaker for the girl. With her gone on a 5 year mission, it hardly seems right or fair.

 

La'an lost her immediate family, we don't know if she has any extended relatives in-universe.
And she stated to Pike that she already had a tentative lead on possible relatives of the girl.

I suspect that this is the first & last time we'll see the "Trek-Newt".

 

This episode explains why Harry Kim never got promoted to Lieutenant. It was a kindness to keep him alive for seven years. "Congratulations Lieutenant! You're going to die!"

Ch-ch-ch-Chia! Sorry Pet.

It was so dark to see La'an abuse the Gorn corpse. That's one of the darkest things I've seen in Trek.

 

BTW, did La'an not find out Hemmer had gotten a Gorn facial until the very end? I don't recall if she was in sickbay when he and Uhura came in, or if she was off looking for the kid by then. It seems like the whole impregnation thing would be something she would want to mention.

 

Very funny.