Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x08 - "The Elysian Kingdom"

[Mr Awe]

So you want to go with your guess instead?

"This totally fake scenario doesn't work like that. We should try my totally fake scenario."

No. Whoosh. You missed the point.

My point was that a good parent would've asked questions and looked into alternatives rather than going for the first flashy option presented. That's the approach M'Benga should've taken.

There are logical alternatives to consider:

• Is there a way to export the cure out of the nebula?
• Can the entity teach M'Benga the cure?
• Can M'Benga find a way to slow down his daughter's subjective passage of time, giving him time to find a cure himself?
• Some combination of the above?

In short, make a more informed decision rather than jumping at the first one offered with minimal information. Always a good approach in life!

 

[NCC-73515]

Harry in "11:59(VOY)" said that cryogenic suspension for humans had been out of vogue for generations or even centuries at that point so I can buy Starfleet vessels of the 23rd century not being equipped with what by the 2250s was considered archaic technology that served no real useful purpose.

The Doctor kept the people he replaced alive in the morgue

 

[Maurice]

So it's established M'Benga's name is Joseph. This goes all the way back to the original TOS draft that created M'Benga, where he also had a brother called Simon.

Nah, didn't happen.

Darlene Hartman's undated first draft script for the canned “Shol” has an M’Benga—no first name or rank indicated—sitting in the Enterprise captain’s chair and having three whole lines of dialog. Dr. M'Benga and Spock's being shot appears when Bird did his rewrite of "A Private Little War."

Thongs get confusing because of Hartman's unsubstantiated claims about a "Hopeship" Trek spinoff, which she then apparently de-Trekked so she could publish it as a book, but this appears to have been long after "A Private Little War".

 

[Amaris]

No. Whoosh. You missed the point.

My point was that a good parent would've asked questions and looked into alternatives rather than going for the first flashy option presented. That's the approach M'Benga should've taken.

There are logical alternatives to consider:

• Is there a way to export the cure out of the nebula?
• Can the entity teach M'Benga the cure?
• Can M'Benga find a way to slow down his daughter's subjective passage of time, giving him time to find a cure himself?
• Some combination of the above?

In short, make a more informed decision rather than jumping at the first one offered with minimal information. Always a good approach in life!

Well, when I meet a Boltzmann brain inside of a nebula that has offered my absolutely definitely terminally ill and dying in minutes/hours child eternal life and a vast understanding of the cosmos, I will definitely consider your words carefully. I may end up going for the untested, highly theoretical technology that hasn't been shown to exist in my century instead, but it will be an informed choice.

 

[Mr Awe]

Well, when I meet a Boltzmann brain inside of a nebula that has offered my absolutely definitely terminally ill and dying in minutes/hours child eternal life and a vast understanding of the cosmos, I will definitely consider your words carefully. I may end up going for the untested, highly theoretical technology that hasn't been shown to exist in my century instead, but it will be an informed choice.

Whoosh!

The advice for making informed decisions doesn't apply only when you're conversing with a Boltzmann brain. And, the problem is that M'Benga didn't even try.

Informed decisions. It's generally good advice for daily life. You should try it!

 

[Noname Given]

One question might be what happens if word gets out about the nebula.

Would certain people, perhaps others with incurable illnesses of their own, try to reach the nebula in order to seek a form of immortality, regardless of the trade-offs involved? What if they aren't welcome - how does the nebula turn them away? Would Starfleet have to establish perimeter patrols in order to keep outsiders at arm's length?

Even if the crews of visiting ships have their memories wiped, the absence of evidence from a certain time period would itself be a hint that something is going on - despite Dr. M'Benga keeping the "true" story in the same hidden filing cabinet as the "Una is an Illyrian" data point for the time being...

That's why the Entity erased everyone's memory except M'Benga's - and I doubt he'll tell anyone the whole story.

 

[NCC-73515]

Whoosh whoosh! Is this the lower deckers comparing warp sounds?

 

[Amaris]

Whoosh!

The advice for making informed decisions doesn't apply only when you're conversing with a Boltzmann brain. It's generally good advice for daily life. You should try it!

I wasn't aware that I asked you for advice in this thread about a fake science fiction show, but sure, thanks?

 

[Mr Awe]

Whoosh whoosh! Is this the lower deckers comparing warp sounds?

Yes!

I wasn't aware that I asked you for advice in this thread about a fake science fiction show, but sure, thanks?

You're very welcome!

I can't believe that making informed decisions is now apparently a controversial thing to be questioned. Well, given what I'm seeing in the real world, I guess it shouldn't be surprising.

 

[Belz...]

I intentionally wrote my comment of "Yes, it is" at the same level of discourse as your "No, it's not."

And apparently you didn't put much thought into any of it. Are you really seriously claiming never to have been exposed to a narrative that juxtaposes humour and drama?

The idea is to minimize the passage of time for her while M'Benga works on the cure.

Why not just leave her in the buffer indefinitely, then?

Yes they do. That's actually one of the core fundamentals of the Boltzmann brain.

It doesn't make any sort of sense, though. A spontaneously-formed mind wouldn't have memory of everything unless it was composed of everything, which isn't what the concept is about. In fact, having a memory of the entire universe would make it more complex than the universe and thus less likely to pop into existence than it.

 

[Uhura's Song]

It was OK. Was not up for a 2nd campy episode in a row, so I was probably a little harsh.

Kind of reminiscent of TNG's "The Bonding", but with a different resolution and different situation.

Did like that we got more Hemmer this week. And a resolution for the M'Benga. Which was sweet.

I suspect we have a Pike/future episode or a Gorn episode in our future. Only 2 left.

 

[Amaris]

It doesn't make any sort of sense, though. A spontaneously-formed mind wouldn't have memory of everything unless it was composed of everything, which isn't what the concept is about. In fact, having a memory of the entire universe would make it more complex than the universe and thus less likely to pop into existence than it.

I'm not necessarily endorsing the idea of a Boltzmann brain as being likely to manifest, just that what I described is what they hypothetically are, memories and all. The essential gist of it, though, is that there is no reason why it can't happen, because while the timeline upon which it might occur would have to be extraordinarily long, even in the grand scheme of the universe, to where trillions of years is the equivalent blink of an eye, it's still possible.

 

[Mr Awe]

And apparently you didn't put much thought into any of it. Are you really seriously claiming never to have been exposed to a narrative that juxtaposes humour and drama?

No, my comment was strictly a critique about your "no, it's not" comment and the lack of articulation in it.

Why not just leave her in the buffer indefinitely, then?

Seriously? The goal is to find the cure and then bring her out to implement the cure. But in the meantime, it's necessary to slow if not stop the passage of her subjective time.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I've really fallen in love with this show, but this ep was, for me, literally unwatchable. I got through the first ten minutes or so, and quickly lost interest in the dream or whatever the hell it was.

I started surfing the internet and listening to the dialogue behind me and it was seriously the worst performance of medieval crap I've ever been served. The TOS Shakespearian stuff was actually pretty good (for reasons) but this was just awful.

Fast forwarded to the end (had it DVR'd) and it was inconsequential. I was actually looking forward to an M'bega-centred episode but this totally made me lose interest. It wouldn't even have been an amusing holosuite ep on TNG or DS9.

I see a lot of posters liked it, so no offense, this wasn't good for me. Looking forward to next week.

 

[Belz...]

No, my comment was strictly a critique about your "no, it's not" comment and the lack of articulation in it.

Did you suddenly lose track of the conversation? Because the "it's not" was directed at a specific claim of yours. Your reply wasn't a "critique". It was a lazy response because you didn't think things through.

Seriously? The goal is to find the cure and then bring her out to implement the cure.

Exactly my point. Leave her in the buffer until the cure is found.

 

[Mr Awe]

Your reply wasn't a "critique". It was a lazy response because you didn't think things through.

Prompting your self-reflection on that type of response was exactly the intention of my short reply to yours. In English, it's called giving someone enough rope.

You said, "No, it's not." My reply of "Yes, it is" was kind of annoying, right? But I was just replying in kind. So, your description of my comment applies equally to yours because they're the same.

Hence, your "no, it isn't" comment is exactly as you describe it above. "Lazy" and "didn't think things through." Now you're catching on. You're supplying your own critique to your own comment. It's more powerful for you to describe it that way than me.

Exactly my point. Leave her in the buffer until the cure is found.

The only reason I mention rematerializing her periodically is because I believe M'Benga said in the first story with his daughter that he needed to rematerialize her occasionally to avoid her pattern from degrading. Something like that at least. If I'm remembering that correctly, then he must rematerialize her occasionally for her safety.

In that case, the goal is to minimize her time outside the buffer. Rematerialize her and then instantly dematerialize her again.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well it took me multiple tries but I finally finished it. I kindly gave it a 3.

Since most of the episodes have been really good, it’s understandable to get a dud, especially in the first season.

A majority of people who have voted here don't seem to think it's a dud.

Your opinion isn't wrong, opinions can't be wrong, but it based on the numbers it's not overwhelmingly a dud, it just didn't resonate with you.

 

[Mr Awe]

A majority of people who have voted here don't seem to think it's a dud.

Your opinion isn't wrong, opinions can't be wrong, but it based on the numbers it's not overwhelmingly a dud.

Because it's his review, I think it's safe to assume he means that it was a dud for him.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, people who don't like stuff will talk at length about what they don't like. It's easy to get the misimpression that they must represent a significant portion of the audience.

But look at how people vote.

 

[Vger23]

Interesting how split fans are on this one.
I think that means that SNW is doing something right, to be honest.