If anything it's similar to when Scotty and Sulu were zombified by the Pyris VII shapeshifting aliens in "Catspaw(TOS)" and they had absolutely no memory of what happened after the transmuter device was destroyed. No memories, so no reset.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x08 - "The Elysian Kingdom"
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I happen to love the kurtzman trek. I even loved last week's pirate episode - embracing the Original series campy vibes and still managing to give me meaty character intrigue. It's just that this week's will not be at the top of my list for anything other than costumes and the resolution of M'Benga's secret (which I imagine will come into play in some future story).
I personally was talking about how it reminded me of high school productions. The quality of the acting specifically. But I still love this episode for costumes (which were spectacular)and the feelings evoked in me as a parent.
As I said up thread, I’m will to bet that was a creative choice to reflect the storybook origins of the situation. Babs and Horak were playing it “straight “.
I really enjoyed this.
Got a TOS vibe from the redressing of the enterprise set.
Got a TOS vibe from the redressing of the enterprise set.
You may be right.
What a ride! Silly, campy, and played with such heart. And the bittersweet ending was beautiful. A solid 42 out of 10 for me.
Yes, it is.
Nope, a real parent would've gotten more information. A real parent wouldn't let a 10 year old decide something like that off the cuff.
Particularly when the entity didn't understand or care about the crew's safety. Hemmer described the entity as "not gentle" and could've killed him. The entity put the crew in jeopardy and didn't seem to care.
Further, the daughter was not accurately judging the situation as evidenced by the fact that she thought her dad was having fun and didn't realize the danger to him and the crew. She just wasn't old enough to make that decision and did not fully understand the consequences of the decision or appreciate her vast lack of knowledge necessary to make such a decision.
Imagine if M'Benga was a contemporary person. Some guy shows up at his door and endangers his family but then, lo, the 10 year old daughter likes the guy because he did a magic trick that was fun. So, M'Benga asks the daughter, do you want to go live with this guy? She says, "yes" and M'Benga lets her.
I guarantee you he'd be hearing from Child Services! That's not good parenting!
Instead, M'Benga should've simply minimized her time out of the transporter buffer. She could be rematerialized for microseconds at a time. Ideally, she'd be in a dedicated suspended animation facility (transporter based or not) that could minimize or even stop time passing for her until a cure is found.
Now that's good parenting.
That is such a naive stance, I can't surmise whether it's made in jest or honestly.
As I've been recently told, Star Trek isn't real. Sauce for the goose, I guess.
Spending zero time with your child sure is good parenting!
Well, at least he should find out more!
But he could also minimize her time out of the transporter buffer or use other suspended animation techniques that surely exist. By letting her choose the stranger with the magic trick, he loses the option of the other possibilities.
That's just a guess on your part based on no evidence in the episode. But the point was that M'Benga didn't look into it at all. Forcing it to be an either/or decision when there are multiple possibilities is just silly.
Why not ask the entity about how it cured her? Clearly, it enacted a cure in her physical form. Teach M'Benga the process.
Er... no. These hypothetical constructs don't come with any memory.
I wouldn't be surprised if suspended animation is illegal in the 23rd century because literally no one uses it past the 20th century.
And he said at the start of the show that he's run out of time. He's only got a very short period left.
Harry in "11:59(VOY)" said that cryogenic suspension for humans had been out of vogue for generations or even centuries at that point so I can buy Starfleet vessels of the 23rd century not being equipped with what by the 2250s was considered archaic technology that served no real useful purpose.
I intentionally wrote my comment of "Yes, it is" at the same level of discourse as your "No, it's not." Your criticism about it indicates you got my point.
The idea is to minimize the passage of time for her while M'Benga works on the cure. Clearly a dedicated, specialized facility rather than a jury rigged system on an exploratory vessel would be better for that. Once he finds a cure, she "wakes up" and it seems like no time at all has passed from her perspective.
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So you want to go with your guess instead?
"This totally fake scenario doesn't work like that. We should try my totally fake scenario."
I mean, go for it, I guess. My point was based on the evidence presented in the episode, of which there is little, but enough to gather the narrative is leading you to understand that this is the only option M'Benga has. You don't have to agree with it, but you have nothing by which to back it up yourself despite your declarative statement.
Yes they do. That's actually one of the core fundamentals of the Boltzmann brain.
University of Pittsburgh said:
Sources:
https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/Boltzmann_Brain/Boltzmann_Brain.html
https://medium.com/predict/boltzmann-brains-123f27875456
They could just improve the transporter form of suspended animation. A specialized transported based suspended animation facility could minimize the rematerialization time. Imagine if they got it down to a microsecond. There are 60,000 microseconds in a minute. So they could rematerialize/dematerialize her 60,000 times and from her perspective only one minute would have passed.
There is a lot to be said for the primitive 1990s cryogenic technology aboard the Botany Bay working. Of the 84 Augments who boarded the ship and were placed in suspended animation 72 were still alive and healthy 271 years later. Imagine how 23rd century tech could keep someone alive.
