• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Is there any chance for DS9 legacy series?

I think that’s solved if the premise of a Klingon show is based off of a quote by Ezri Dax:

“The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die.”

That’s a premise worth exploring in greater detail than the episode it originated in, that a paradigm shift is on the way where the Klingons won’t be a focus of Trek going forwards.

In any case, a Klingon show doesn’t work without Worf; Alexander is not a strong enough character to lead the show, K’Ehleyr is long dead, Kurn had his memory wiped, and I don’t think the audience will take to an unknown Klingon character if they actually are suffering from Klingon fatigue.



New Trek struggled to present the 23rd century well when DIS premiered. They finally got it right with SNW. The same thing can be said regarding how new Trek handled the 24th century after some fans took issue with the first season of PIC, that LD gets it right.

If given a chance, I’m sure new Trek could get the Klingons right.



There are also a lot of fans that are starting to realize what DIS S1 was trying to do, in taking chances to create a new experience. There’s clearly an audience for that in Trek too. And a Klingon show would not just target Trek fans. It would be targeting that Game of Thrones/Vikings/The Last Kingdom niche. Not everything in the new era of Trek has to cater to those that want traditional and safe Star Trek. New ideas can be experimented with too.



It been established by those same shows that Klingons are as much apart of Star Trek mythos as the Starship Enterprise is. And are one of the most mainstream alien species in all of Star Trek.



A Worf series could be seen as the final chapter of Worf’s story, like PIC is the final chapter of Picard’s story. And much like how Picard had TNG and the TNG films leading up to PIC, Worf has TNG & DS9 leading up to a Worf show.



Part of the issue with Worf being captain of the Enterprise is that it may still lead to Worf having to command a Klingon ship (the Bortas, the Rotarran, the Gorkon). Since I’m sure that there would be a conspiracy within Starfleet to push Worf out of the captain’s chair due to the event on Soukara in DS9, despite the obvious political brownie points of having Worf being captain of the Federation flagship.

I don't think a Klingon centric project is a bad idea. I just think it's one I don't think would be easy to make into a successful multiyear series. Even when you consider books, the Klingon centric series from KRAD didn't last long. And that's a series coming from one of the most knowledgeable writers of Klingons. Perhaps there was behind-the-scenes publishing things that led to the early demise of the IKS Gorkon and Klingon series, but still, there's no strong record even in publishing, including comics. Novels and comics are definitely more niche areas where I think a Klingon focused series could be more easily (and I would think more successfully) explored.

Regarding Ezri's quote, this is a 20 plus year quote, and while it would not be a bad starting point, the idea of a dying empire has also been the set up already for ST: Picard (even though that series has done little with it). I don't think an old quote is that compelling enough to build a series around. Further, Dax's words already prompted Worf to action, and he took out Gow'ron and put Martok in the chancellorship. While that might be a first step, it was a big one, and gave audiences a sense that the honorable Martok would right the ship. I do agree that Alexander might not be the strongest character to build a series around, however I think that would make him one of the best to attempt it with. It's the counterintuitive thinking of the stewards of franchises these days. Subvert expectations, and making Alexander a lead, if not the lead, would also allow them to explore issues of trauma, toxic masculinity, etc. in ways that it would be harder (but not impossible) to do with Worf. Alexander could be a more relatable character, because of him not fitting well into Klingon society, even more than Worf. Now, would fans want to see Alexander more than Worf? Very doubtful, but I could see the new Trek creatives being more interested in building a series around him than Worf. Further, a Klingon show can work without Worf. They could spin off a series about L'Rell or one about Azetbur after The Undiscovered Country. Or one about Martok, or they could use VOY's Torres or Miral Paris. They could just look at the Admiral Janeway/Miral relationship from VOY's "Endgame" for inspiration.

You make a very good point about how much Klingons are a part of Trek's mythos, and how popular they are regarding all of Trek's aliens. I think it's them and the Borg that many non-fans might recognize right off as coming from the Trek franchise. However, why the Starship Enterprise is more important is because of the open-ended storytelling format each starship-based series provides. Worf on the Enterprise allows for a conflict of different alien cultures and perspectives. No doubt there would also be conflict in a Klingon series-there would have to be-however that's narrower than seeing various races working together, and sometimes not, on another Starship Enterprise. How would Worf, the first Klingon captain of the Enterprise-with all the symbolism behind that-interact with a crew under his command? It goes right back into the heart of Worf's conflict between his Klingon heritage/culture and his human upbringing. A Worf Klingon series also presents a similar internal challenge, but I also think in a narrower way. I'm not saying that's bad, but I don't think there's multiyear series potential there.

I don't see an issue with Worf being forced out of the Enterprise necessarily, if that's where the story goes. If that leads to him commanding a Klingon vessel, so be it, we would both get what we think would be best. I think the progression aspect, of a Klingon commanding the Federation flagship, in light of the history we've seen on ENT, DISCO, and TOS (and imagine on SNW before that series is done) is too good to ignore for what it says about Trek, society, but also for the storytelling potential.

Further I think the whole Soukara business is overblown. Worf not only went on to help defeat the Dominion but became the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire and also played a role in stopping Shinzon. I think he's more than made up for his mistake there. And Trek doesn't have a long tradition of holding things over the lead's (or main/ensemble characters') heads like that.

Spoiler from The Last Best Hope novel below:

Also, based on the non-canon (for now) Picard prequel novel The Last Best Hope, Worf was made captain of the Enterprise. So there's literary precedent, in a PIC prequel novel, already that sets it up. Now all Paramount/CBS has to do is put it into live-action.
 
Last edited:
I don't think a Klingon centric project is a bad idea. I just think it's one I don't think would be easy to make into a successful multiyear series. Even when you consider books, the Klingon centric series from KRAD didn't last long. And that's a series coming from one of the most knowledgeable writers of Klingons. Perhaps there was behind-the-scenes publishing things that led to the early demise of the IKS Gorkon and Klingon series, but still, there's no strong record even in publishing, including comics. Novels and comics are definitely more niche areas where I think a Klingon focused series could be more easily (and I would think more successfully) explored.

I think there is a concern that a Klingon show won’t have the depth and philosophy like a show set in the Federation, and it will be more an action show. I don’t personally see it that way; I think a Klingon show could have has much philosophical depth as TOS & TNG, or even more than those shows. It depends on how its written.

Regarding Ezri's quote, this is a 20 plus year quote, and while it would not be a bad starting point, the idea of a dying empire has also been the set up already for ST: Picard (even though that series has done little with it).

A dying empire can’t really be explored with the Federation, since it’s confirmed that the Federation lasts until the 31st century and was being rebuilt in the 32nd century. Populists movement that question the state of the Federation of the 25th century can be explored – movement that try to return to the Federation of TNG S1 and movements with darker intentions - but not full blown collapse.

A dying empire can’t be explored with thee Cardassians either; they’ve likely reformed into a democracy after the Dominion War.

And the Romulan Empire can’t be looked at, there no Romulan Empire left to examine.

That’s where the Klingon Empire comes in, examining the reforms under Martok. Why the reforms don’t work, especially if Martok and Worf cleaned house behind the scene?. And that the Klingons are being forced to confront changing their long-established ways.

I do agree that Alexander might not be the strongest character to build a series around, however I think that would make him one of the best to attempt it with. It's the counterintuitive thinking of the stewards of franchises these days. Subvert expectations, and making Alexander a lead, if not the lead, would also allow them to explore issues of trauma, toxic masculinity, etc. in ways that it would be harder (but not impossible) to do with Worf. Alexander could be a more relatable character, because of him not fitting well into Klingon society, even more than Worf. Now, would fans want to see Alexander more than Worf? Very doubtful, but I could see the new Trek creatives being more interested in building a series around him than Worf.

I feel that an Alexander show would spend a lot of time meeting the cousins of Alexander and the cousins of Worf, Alexander reflecting on his mother, and his parents meeting ion Samrin’s Planet and being a member of the House of Martok more than explore Klingon society. It would be all about creating melodrama and family drama.

Of course, this might resonate for the younger generations of today, so who know?

Further, a Klingon show can work without Worf.

Maybe. But it would draw more viewers with Worf than without. Only a Kahless show could possibly compare.

They could spin off a series about L'Rell or one about Azetbur after The Undiscovered Country.

A L’Rell show would be the worst option, and I like L’Rell. She would be better off as a recurring character for SNW. Or being sent to the far future to join the Discovery crew.

Azetbur would work as a mini series, to show why there was still Federation-Klingon hostilities after TUC; maybe it had to do with the Federation being reluctant to form an alliance with the Klingons unless they freed most of their subject species. It would help to flesh out the Lost Era at the very least.

They could just look at the Admiral Janeway/Miral relationship from VOY's "Endgame" for inspiration.

Miral would as the very least want to meet Worf, since he’s the first Klingon to join Starfleet and thus a role model for her to look up to. There’s no reason Miral could not have both Janeway and Worf as mentors.

However, why the Starship Enterprise is more important is because of the open-ended storytelling format each starship-based series provides. Worf on the Enterprise allows for a conflict of different alien cultures and perspectives. No doubt there would also be conflict in a Klingon series-there would have to be-however that's narrower than seeing various races working together, and sometimes not, on another Starship Enterprise. How would Worf, the first Klingon captain of the Enterprise-with all the symbolism behind that-interact with a crew under his command? It goes right back into the heart of Worf's conflict between his Klingon heritage/culture and his human upbringing. A Worf Klingon series also presents a similar internal challenge, but I also think in a narrower way. I'm not saying that's bad, but I don't think there's multiyear series potential there.

I don't see an issue with Worf being forced out of the Enterprise necessarily, if that's where the story goes. If that leads to him commanding a Klingon vessel, so be it, we would both get what we think would be best. I think the progression aspect, of a Klingon commanding the Federation flagship, in light of the history we've seen on ENT, DISCO, and TOS (and imagine on SNW before that series is done) is too good to ignore for what it says about Trek, society, but also for the storytelling potential.

There are some good things about a Worf captaining the Enterprise. It would be good for featuring various character (Sisko’s and Kasidy’s kid, Molly ‘O’Brien, Naomi Wildman, Elnor, the rest of the Stargazer crew in PIC, easier to have TNG/DS9/VOY/LD cameos). And if Grilka is made to be Worf’s wife, then we see her living on the Enterprise.

What’s lost by making Worf captain the Enterprise instead of a Klingon ship is Worf deciding to reform the Klingon Empire from within using everything that he’s learned from the Federation. Worf could still try and reform the Klingon Empire from the outside looking in, but it would not be the same as Worf having to interact with a Klingon Empire resistant or afraid of change on a daily basis and only wanting to solve their problems with a Klingon outlook. Or even being aware that changes need to be made, but are unable to make them. And Worf persists with his mission with a Federation perspective, disregarding the usual Klingon outlook that he brings.

Maybe Worf captaining a Klingon ship is a season long arc only. But I still think it has a place.
 
I don't think Worf should captain a Klingon ship.

He's already an ambassador, let him be there in an advisory capacity. He's barely Klingon anyway.
 
I wouldn’t mind a First Minister Kira Nerys mini.

How you’d get anyone else back, I don’t know. Maybe if Keiko was visiting Bajor after studying so much of its plant life, she could drag Miles along.

As to plot, I really don’t mind so long as Nana was given the chance to let out an exasperated “Listen to me” to some annoying Vedek or the Kai or antagonist, I’d be happy.
 
I don't think Worf should captain a Klingon ship.

He's already an ambassador, let him be there in an advisory capacity. He's barely Klingon anyway.

Being ambassador does still give Worf a reason to deal with Klingon stories while being a captain of the Enterprise, if Starfleet wants him to go on a mission into Klingon space.

I wouldn’t mind a First Minister Kira Nerys mini.

How you’d get anyone else back, I don’t know. Maybe if Keiko was visiting Bajor after studying so much of its plant life, she could drag Miles along.

As to plot, I really don’t mind so long as Nana was given the chance to let out an exasperated “Listen to me” to some annoying Vedek or the Kai or antagonist, I’d be happy.

Worf – captaining the Enterprise, which makes a stop over to DS9.

Jake Sisko & Kasidy Yates – living on Bajor.

Garak & Bashir – living on Cardassia.

Quark – a lucrative business opportunity on DS9 brings him back.

Odo – whatever situation requires him to be in a liquid state, or disguised as a person or an object.

O’Brien – brought back because his knowledge of the station’s systems are needed for the latest refit.

Ezri – promoted to station commander? Or made an ambassador to Bajor?
 
So you want a reboot of DS9? :vulcan:

I'd like to see the story continued like Picard, which is really a Next Generation sequel with some Voyager stuff thrown in due to 7 of 9. The novels that came out should provide lots of story idea like the novels that came out when Doctor Who was rested in the 80s.
 
I'd like to see the story continued like Picard, which is really a Next Generation sequel with some Voyager stuff thrown in due to 7 of 9. The novels that came out should provide lots of story idea like the novels that came out when Doctor Who was rested in the 80s.
At the risk of sounding highly contrarian but if the novels already did it why bring it back? They won't use the novels, and will likely disappoint the fans no matter what.
 
Just finished watching DS9 from first to last episode for 7th time. Amanzing. I can not believe that mankind could create this masterpiece. Greatest Trek show, one of the greatest TV shows of all time. Most of DS9 actors are still active. Story of DS9 is most like modern day shows, less like Gene's way of thinking 60s and TNG 80's/90's. Even today audience can accept DS9 stories.

So what's stopping Alex Kurtzman to make a DS9 legacy series, even mini-series of 10 one hour episodes could do fine.

I mean who really cares about non-canon quasi S31 TOS-era series?
How about a DS9TNG - Deep Space Nine The Next Generation Series?
 
I’ll never not want to see Avery Brooks play Benjamin Lafayette Sisko again. Whatever concept he approves for his character I will accept and lap it up!

Thank you.
 
He died sacrificing himself.

Yup, that's being done "dirty..." :shrug::wtf:

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Avery Brooks objected to Sisko choosing to abandon his children and leave them without a father, a racist stereotype often leveled against the Black community.

The producers overruled the actor's objections, adding only a weak and vague promise that he would return someday. A promise they never let him make good on.

So yeah, he was done dirty.
 
Avery Brooks objected to Sisko choosing to abandon his children and leave them without a father, a racist stereotype often leveled against the Black community.

The producers overruled the actor's objections, adding only a weak and vague promise that he would return someday. A promise they never let him make good on.

So yeah, he was done dirty.
I don't agree. I think it is a perfectly acceptable resolution to a hero's trip.

I like it from a spiritual journey perspective.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top