Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"
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Spock certainly seems to have had "one of those families" – his great-grandfather Solkar was the first Vulcan ambassador to Earth, his grandfather Skon was an accomplished academic who was the first to translate Surak's teachings into English, and his father Sarek was, well, Sarek, perhaps the most renowned Federation diplomat of his time.
Kirk in "Amok Time": "He never mentioned that his family was THIS important."
Yes, Trekkies. Spock didn't say much to even his best friends.
Yes, Trekkies. Spock didn't say much to even his best friends.
Kirk: Bones, do you know who that is? T'Pau. The only person to ever turn down a seat on the Federation Council.
McCoy: T'Pau. Officiating at Spock's wedding?
Kirk: He never mentioned that his family was this important.
McCoy: T'Pau. Officiating at Spock's wedding?
Kirk: He never mentioned that his family was this important.
Trip Tucker died when T'Pol's pon farr caused her to order her new Vulcan boyfriend to fight Trip to the death over her. After realizing the truth would destroy the Federation before it could even begin, Jonathan Archer himself covered up the truth of his friend's death and the very nature of pon farr itself. Furthermore, Section 31 threatened to reveal the secret unless Archer allowed them to continue operating in the newly formed Federation
Well, Kirk would be dead so punishing him would have been kinda pointless.
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Hm. I had forgotten that line. Certainly that does complicate things. It also calls into question why T'Pol was able to just divorce Koss. Perhaps archaic Vulcan law requires the woman to become property of the victor of the kal-if-fee but not property otherwise, and Vulcan hasn't modernized its laws around the kal-if-fee ritual because of public reluctance to engage in anything related to pon farr? Though this does again call into question why T'Pring didn't just, y'know, call the betrothal off if that were an option.
We might just have to revert to "23rd Century Vulcans were messed up and no one had forced them to update their laws yet" and assume things were better by the 24th Century.
I haven't watched all of Enterprise so I have no idea if this is your own imaged scenario or something that actually happened on the show.
I agree, until Spock beamed down with a couple humans the plan was for Stonn to fight Spock. T'Pring came up with the Kirk angle on the spot.
I'm guessing there is a final commitment ceremony between the engagement we just saw and the wedding ceremony. You can back out before that. Remember none of these stages have exact human counterparts.
The gap between the commitment and marriage might have been longer than usual, giving T'Pring time to meet Stonn and have second thoughts.
It's his feverish imagination.
It probably would've been a better episode.
Thank god. It sounded terrible.
Yeah, he shouldn't quit his day job. Unless that is his day job. In which, case he definitely should quit!
Enterprise is not my favorite and I've only seen episodes recommended to me so I'll take your word for it?
Let's just say that the last episode of the series is... not very appreciated by the fandom.
The episode referenced is pretty bad on most levels.
V'Las' administration may have been corrupt and secretly run by Romulans, but perhaps womens' rights were better in this era. Thus T'Pol having the freedom to divorce Koss. When T'Pau and her group took over in Enterprise, they may have reverted womens' rights to a more restrictive culture.
The only reason we're really given that T'Pau and her Surak religious fanatic group in Enterprise is good is because V'Las' group is run by human hating Romulans that are even worse. In Amok Time we see the full consequences of Archer throwing in with this group, the lesser evil so to speak, meaning that T'Pring's rights are far more restrictive than T'Pol's were a century ago.
Maybe because Spock let it get so far he was on the verge of death meant she'd missed her opportunity to call it off earlier or maybe she had decided she wanted ALL THE STUFF and figured she could wait it out. Spock thought he might not have to go through all that pon far nonsense because he was half human. Sadly, stuff got real and T'Pring couldn't back out by that time.
I'll be glad if we get some clarity on this kinda shit. I want all the lore to be expanded and enriched. I'm looking forward to it!
Yet T'Pau is more or less the most powerful person on Vulcan by the time of "Amok Time".
